Have BSAC got it wrong with the new ruling on Hog loops and Primary donation?

[Sam Johnston]

As it says on tin. What do you think?

[bythesea]

Very wrong....a blanket ban on a method deemed acceptable by every other tech agency? I though BSAC were moving forward and had decided to take a look at the new courses, I wont bother now, I resent being dictated to, I dive a hog rig now, have for a while and have found none of the issues raised to have any base in reality.

For sure, show me the options and variations but let me, as an adult, make my own decision based on information. Don't ban something just because some one doesn't like GUE, this is how it reads to me, it is just like the good old day..BSAC good...PADI bad....only PADI have been replaced by GUE.

I have met Mike and thought well of him, now I just think he is being foolish.

The BSAC tec courses have lost at least one customer tonight.

[ianb]

Very wrong. I was pretty disappointed to find this in the inbox when I got home tonight.

[Davwardo]

This is utterly short-sighted and really quite depressing.

[Alan Paice]

I dive with it at the club, if any one asks me why I tell them. Turn off their air and see them do that stupid neck chop sign and calmly reach for your Octo.

I tell all my buddies, from OD to AD to take my primary reg. If they don't want to I would suggest gills pretty sharpish.

But the people to decide this sort of stuff prob still have a suicide bottle on their buddy jackets.

[Sam Johnston]

Originally Posted by Sam Johnston

As it says on tin. What do you think?

EDIT: THE RULING APPEARS TO ALLOW PRIMARY DONATION.

[Alan Paice]

But no Hog rig. Knocking a mask off.. I am just trying to think how some one could actually do that? Might try it in the pool and see.

[Sam Johnston]

Originally Posted by Alan Paice

But no Hog rig. Knocking a mask off.. I am just trying to think how some one could actually do that? Might try it in the pool and see.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

[northern_diver]

They banned the teaching of it on courses, they are not going to (nor really able) ban a member using it or telling their mates about the relative PROs/CONs of the available methods down the club etc.

As far as i read it, BSAC hasnt banned the primary donate principal either. saying that it is a suitable method in some situations,

this is workable

pg2

And they dont mind Long hoses,

BSAC fully approves and supports the use of long hoses (1.5 metres - 2.0 metres)

pg2

Personally, on my single/twins(manifolded) i have a long hose, bungied to my cylinder on a 'octo necklace', i often tell my buddies that they can take what they wish to breath and i'll take whats left. My diving doesnt put me in the position that one (or more) cylinder isnt breathable at depth, so not an massive issue and allows for a large number of possible issues.

If you want to use that method, your freely allowed.

I dont agree with all of what they are saying.

I dont agree that the 'triangle of access' is as accessable as the message makes out, if the buddy is coming from say the top etc (the conditions they used to cripple the Hog wrap method anyway) its not as great as its been said to be. Nor some of the stuff about lack of doner assistance...But then again, BSAC DO NOT offically teach that the donated ask for the octo and gets it given. The latest offical information i had (as of september 2009) was that the donated may ask/may not, but just takes the octo.

You want to use it, use it. That message woulnt effect the set up i have, nor the information i give out to people that ask, i'll still give my option (after the offical line) and allow the questioner to make their minds up.

John

[TerryH]

I'd like BSAC to do a deal.

They allow hog loop and primary donate.

They make it mandatory that you CANT use these on entry level
courses/diving.


Way I look at it is that the people that insist on having kit as far away
as they can from there student when teaching, only have themselves to
blame.