Assistant Club Instructor == Assistant instructor? (and c-cards query)

Ive been searching the site but cant really find anything to confirm this in the documents on there but is the old "Assistant Club Instructor" identical to the new "Assistant Instructor" qualification ?
In other words, same limits and restrictions or are there subtle differences ?

Im getting slightly confused by looking at the c-card order forms on the site, the BSAC instructor card appears to have entries for ACI (assume assistant club instructor) but not the new Assistant instructor. In addition the ACI entry has space for an instructor number which afaik isnt given after attending the IFC. If this entry does indeed mean assistant club instructor then can a new style assistant apply for such a card with that form ?

Sorry if this is a bit badly worded, i know what im trying to ask but having problems wording it !

Attached link is the form in question.

Looks like a slightly out-of-date bit of information, my pet hate

Maybe someone at HQ could explain?

Edward Haynes
Candidate for Council

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Information:

The diversity of information available to us is confusing. When drafting the Branch Officers' Handbook (Internet Edition) I made use of information already available rather than repeating it. I believe BSAC Websites are critical business tools; essential to keep the membership informed and should be simple to navigate.

Ive been searching the site but cant really find anything to confirm this in the documents on there but is the old "Assistant Club Instructor" identical to the new "Assistant Instructor" qualification ?
In other words, same limits and restrictions or are there subtle differences ?

Im getting slightly confused by looking at the c-card order forms on the site, the BSAC instructor card appears to have entries for ACI (assume assistant club instructor) but not the new Assistant instructor. In addition the ACI entry has space for an instructor number which afaik isnt given after attending the IFC. If this entry does indeed mean assistant club instructor then can a new style assistant apply for such a card with that form ?

Sorry if this is a bit badly worded, i know what im trying to ask but having problems wording it !

Attached link is the form in question.

It's an old card.

Club Diver was ditched for the new Ocean Diver in 2002.
So not much point in being an Assitant CLUB Instructor when
the grade doesnt exist anymore. So it became Assistant Diving
Instructor (ADI).

Just cross through ACI on the form and write ADI. You have to
give your course date and number anyway which tells them it's
ADI and not ACI.


TerryH

So basically ACI is now "Assistant Instructor" and is exactly the same thing with a new name ?

Since the re-structuring of the instructor grades, it is the policy to issue plastic qualification cards to the full instructor grades only OWI, AI and NI. Plus of course Club Instructors (CI). Although CI is no longer awarded, requests for cards will be met as the instructor grade is current.
There is no intention to produce cards for ADI (Assistant Diving Instructor), TIE or PIE.
We will amend the application form in order to bring this up to date to reflect this.
Technical Department BSAC HQ

So basically ACI is now "Assistant Instructor" and is exactly the same thing with a new name ?

Yep.

TerryH

:=So basically ACI is now "Assistant Instructor" and is exactly the same thing with a new name ?

Yep.

TerryH

Cheers - cleared that up.

Since the re-structuring of the instructor grades, it is the policy to issue plastic qualification cards to the full instructor grades only OWI, AI and NI. Plus of course Club Instructors (CI). Although CI is no longer awarded, requests for cards will be met as the instructor grade is current.
There is no intention to produce cards for ADI (Assistant Diving Instructor), TIE or PIE.
We will amend the application form in order to bring this up to date to reflect this.
Technical Department BSAC HQ

Please check the information whcih you have stated: Club Instructor (CI) was replaced by Theory Instructor (TI) and Practical Instructor (PI), and a person with both is an OWI (once approved). TIE and PIE are the respective examinations, not the grades. I have a TI number, and am entitled to sign QRB's as such. I would have thought that this meant I would be able to get a TI card??

I have a TI number, and am entitled to sign QRB's as such. I would have thought that this meant I would be able to get a TI card??

I expect this is more to do with economics than anything else. I believe BSAC buy in the semi-printed cards, and then add the names/numbers later. To have extra cards for TI/PI would likely therefore require a significant amount to be produced to make them worthwhile, and I don't imagine the demand is there to make them worthwhile. Most people become a TI or a PI on their way to becoming an OWI rather as an end goal, and so the numbers who would buy cards for a short term intermediate grade would I imagine be very low. Just like in the discussion of whether cards should include photos etc, some things are economical, others aren't.

David

:=:=So basically ACI is now "Assistant Instructor" and is exactly the same thing with a new name ?
:=
:=Yep.
:=
:=TerryH

Cheers - cleared that up.

Or has it?

AFAIK CI were only allowed to teach in sheltered water. You had to be an AI to teach in open water. So ACI could also only teach in the pool. If you now do the IFC and OWIC you become an Assistant Instructor who can teach in open water, under supervision of course.

So not quite just a name change.......of course I could be completely wrong.