Qualifying Dives & Depth Progression

[paulrobz]

Good morning all,

Here is my first post and query.

I have x-over from PADI and hold TDI adv nitrox and decompression procedures. I am now a Sport Diver training towards Dive Leader with 45+ dives overseas and 20+ dives in the UK.

1) My TDI qualification allows me to dive to 45m but without the depth progression by sport diver qualification is limited to 20m, do i need to undertake the 3 dives for progression again or can a instructor / DO sign it off?

2) Who can sign the qualifying dives for dive leader? e.g. if i dived and showed my logbook can that be signed or does an instructor have to be there?

Many Regards,

[Ron MacRae]

Paul,
You can dive to the limits of your existing PADI&TDI qualifications. Presumably you will have progressed to 35m in your pre-BSAC days?
If not then progressions would be a sensible way to go.

You don't say exactly where you crossed over, it depends on if you were PADI AOW and RD or not.
Assuming you came across at the equivelent of an SD you can get your SALT signed off and start ther DL course.
SD progressions are not required to start DL, even for a BSAC trained SD, they are optional.

Ron.

P.s. welcome to the forums. I hope you find them usefull.

[robscubaproxlt]

Hi there, your club will progress your diving depth and a more qualified club member can sign your depth progression cards.but will need to be an instructor! Do you dive a twinset and do you dive with a stage as diving to 45metres warrants this? you should be proggressively advancing from 20 metre dives to 30 to 40 to 45 etc diving using a twinset (or rebreather) and stage (deco bottle) and dive planning as you learnt on your tdi adv nitrox and deco course. Narcosis will affect you from anything for 20 metres onwards (although some feel it more than others) so familiarity with your kit and your procedures should be second nature (you will enjoy it more)! Have a word with your club members about it.regards.

[garethwoodruff]

Interesting one this, the OP has a 45 meter ticket. Should they not be permitted to dive to 45 meters and doing the necessary deco?

With TDI Adv Nitrox and deco procedures they are arguably better equipped than a dive leader to dive to that depth..............

A DO could sign off the depth boxes based on past experience, but I think its at their discretion.....did you do the TDI course in the UK?

65 dives is not a huge lot to be doing 45 meters on stages and deco.

I suspect you will be treated as a sports diver with equivalent to a BSAC advanced nitrox qualification / ADP (advanxced decompression procedures), with the depth progression dives for sports diver signed off at the DO's discretion.

You could get a few dive leader depth deeper than 25 meter dives signed off as part of your past experience and the planned decompression dives, although again thats up to your DO.

This one might be worth a quick call to HQ.

Welcome to BSAC

[garethwoodruff]

Originally Posted by robscubaproxlt

Hi there, your club will progress your diving depth and a more qualified club member can sign your depth progression cards.but will need to be an instructor! Do you dive a twinset and do you dive with a stage as diving to 45metres warrants this? you should be proggressively advancing from 20 metre dives to 30 to 40 to 45 etc diving using a twinset (or rebreather) and stage (deco bottle) and dive planning as you learnt on your tdi adv nitrox and deco course. Narcosis will affect you from anything for 20 metres onwards (although some feel it more than others) so familiarity with your kit and your procedures should be second nature (you will enjoy it more)! Have a word with your club members about it.regards.

Have a alook at what a TDI Adv Nitrox and Deco procedures allows you to do!

TDI Combined Advanced Nitrox & Decompression Procedures Diver

[paulrobz]

Thank you for the swift replies and they were very helpful.

I crossed over from PADI AOW to OD and enrolled and completed the SD course.

[Steve in Sharm]

Originally Posted by garethwoodruff

Interesting one this, the OP has a 45 meter ticket. Should they not be permitted to dive to 45 meters and doing the necessary deco?

Yes,

Originally Posted by garethwoodruff

With TDI Adv Nitrox and deco procedures they are arguably better equipped than a dive leader to dive to that depth..............

Agreed,

Originally Posted by garethwoodruff

A DO could sign off the depth boxes based on past experience, but I think its at their discretion.....

After a quick "come and dive with us on Sunday" dive, I would.

Originally Posted by garethwoodruff

65 dives is not a huge lot to be doing 45 meters on stages and deco.

Mmmm, but you can do the courses with less.

Originally Posted by garethwoodruff

I suspect you will be treated as a sports diver with equivalent to a BSAC advanced nitrox qualification / ADP (advanxced decompression procedures), with the depth progression dives for sports diver signed off at the DO's discretion.

You could get a few dive leader depth deeper than 25 meter dives signed off as part of your past experience and the planned decompression dives, although again thats up to your DO.

Very possibly hit the nail on the head there, and if he isn't treated correctly we may lose another convert.

Originally Posted by garethwoodruff

This one might be worth a quick call to HQ.

Welcome to BSAC

Agreed.

[Steve in Sharm]

Originally Posted by paulrobz

Thank you for the swift replies and they were very helpful.

I crossed over from PADI AOW to OD and enrolled and completed the SD course.

Paul.

I believe, (though I may be wrong - it has been known), that your TDI Deco Procedures course equates to the old BSAC ERD - drop HQ a line with photocopies of your TDI quals and get the relevant SDC recognition - you should certainly be allowed to dive withh a club on these tickets.

Regards

Steve

[Ron MacRae]

Originally Posted by paulrobz

Thank you for the swift replies and they were very helpful.

I crossed over from PADI AOW to OD and enrolled and completed the SD course.

Which I assume means you didn't have RD, which is what lets you in at SD level.

You still don't ever have to do the depth progressions to start DL.
You can dive with your PADI&TDI gradings until such time as your BSAC grades reach the same level.

However I do agree with whoever said 60+ dives is a bit light on practical experience to be diving to 45m, which is what you said you were qualified to.
I'm sure your local DO, who knows more of your details etc, will advise you on progressions.

Ron.

[Steve in Sharm]

Originally Posted by Ron MacRae

However I do agree with whoever said 60+ dives is a bit light on practical experience to be diving to 45m, which is what you said you were qualified to.

I'm sure your local DO, who knows more of your details etc, will advise you on progressions.

Ron.

Whilst I agree, I'd like to point out that you can do the BSAC ADP Cse with only 20 dives as a Sports Diver, and you can go onto the Sports Mixed Gas Course (max depth 50m) withh just 60 dives.