Crossover

[rick stevens]

Hi

Does anyone know if the PADI skindiver certification crosses over to the BSAC syllabus anywhere?

cheers

Rick

[TerryH]

Need to ask HQ, but
http://www.bsacsnorkelling.co.uk/training/grades.htm
Sets it all out and even has the syllabus.

Reckon it easily equates to Basic Snorkel Diver, but while it looks similar
there does seem to be a lot more theory in Snorkel Diver.

But as it's pool based (or nice easy shelterered water) you wouldnt IMO get
Ocean Snorkel Diver.

So worst case reckon Basic Snorkel Diver, best case Snorkel Diver.

Not a definative awnser, but might give you an idea.

[Steve in Sharm]

Hi

Does anyone know if the PADI skindiver certification crosses over to the BSAC syllabus anywhere?

cheers

Rick

PADI (the Professional Association of Diving Instructors)do not teach "skin diver" or even "award" qualifications, so how can it cross over?

Steve

PADI Master Scuba Diver Trainer........

[TerryH]

PADI (the Professional Association of Diving Instructors)do not teach "skin diver" or even "award" qualifications, so how can it cross over?

Steve

PADI Master Scuba Diver Trainer........

http://www.aquaturtle.co.uk/skindiver.html
http://www.ecosea.com/eco/HTM/PADI%20Skin%20Diver%20Certification%20Card%20Cambo dia%20Thailand%20Vietnam.htm
http://www.bidp-balidiving.com/eng/skin-diver-snorkeling-course/
http://www.sunshinediving.com/scuba_training/skin_diver.htm
http://www.scubatampa.com/skindiver.html
http://www.scubacat.com/padi_skin_diver_snorkeling_course.htm
http://www.bluefishdiving.co.uk/snorkel-courses.html

[Michael Purcell]

PADI Master Scuba Diver Trainer........

Guess product knowledge isn't a component of being a "Trainer" :p

[Steve in Sharm]

Guess product knowledge isn't a component of being a "Trainer" :p

I take it back, apparently PADI are such big money grabbers that they will take cash off of you to "teach" snorkelling.... :eek:

Terry, thanks for those links. Nearly split my sides when I saw the Scubacat one :D :D :D

I did a BSAC OWI to PADI MSDT workshop with them 4 years ago - if ever there was a case for reporting someone to the Advertising Standards people this is it - their pool is approx 10ft by 6ft and not big enough to swim in let alone teach snorklling :rolleyes:

[rick stevens]

Thanks for the replies

I would rather have gone down the BSAC route but my nearest club that does snorkelling is 40 miles away

Rick

[Tina M]

Rick,

For your information there is a brand new BSAC snorkel club just being set up in Goole about 30 minutes away from Scunthorpe. You will be able to do your BSAC qualifications there if you want. The club is called EAST SNORKELLERS. If you are interested I can put you in touch.

Kind Regards,

Tina

[ChristianG]

I take it back, apparently PADI are such big money grabbers that they will take cash off of you to "teach" snorkelling.... :eek:
Well said that man.

Taken from the Scubacat website supplied by Terry:

Using masks, snorkels, fins, and buoyancy-control devices (BCD's)
BCDs? BCDs ? Really? Holy Toledo!!!

I often Scuba dive in the Pacific with a plastic backpack to hold the tank and no BCD (would have been a wing in my case). Matter of fact you won't see a BCD/wing on my avatar of which you will see a larger version on the webpage in my sig (you'll also see the base of a pony sticking up at my left shoulder). I'd like a dollar for every time some ill informed instructor sees me rig up for the first time and tells me "you can't dive like that". What's more, nor am I wearing a weight belt but said instructor wouldn't know that at that time. In that pic I've just come up from 50 metres (drop off immediately behind me) and I'm doing a bit of deco.

The sad thing is that they really don't understand, really mean what they say. Doesn't say much for instructor training does it given that it simply proves that they have no real concept of buoyancy?

Bah - again. But then I'm just an old fart, what would I know?

[TerryH]

Well said that man.

Taken from the Scubacat website supplied by Terry:


BCDs? BCDs ? Really? Holy Toledo!!!

I often Scuba dive in the Pacific with a plastic backpack to hold the tank and no BCD (would have been a wing in my case). Matter of fact you won't see a BCD/wing on my avatar of which you will see a larger version on the webpage in my sig (you'll also see the base of a pony sticking up at my left shoulder). I'd like a dollar for every time some ill informed instructor sees me rig up for the first time and tells me "you can't dive like that". What's more, nor am I wearing a weight belt but said instructor wouldn't know that at that time. In that pic I've just come up from 50 metres (drop off immediately behind me) and I'm doing a bit of deco.

The sad thing is that they really don't understand, really mean what they say. Doesn't say much for instructor training does it given that it simply proves that they have no real concept of buoyancy?

Bah - again. But then I'm just an old fart, what would I know?

Err they do understand, its a BCD a Buoyancy Control Device or a Snorkel
Vest to you or I.

There are manual and Co2 cartridge versions, so it would seem prudent
as part of a course to go over operation. Remember buoyancy control
doesnt have to be underwater. A life vest is a BCD, just does it on the
surface.

[Tony F]

I did a BSAC OWI to PADI MSDT workshop with them 4 years ago

Does that mean you never did a PADI IDC or sat an IE?

[ChristianG]

Err they do understand, its a BCD a Buoyancy Control Device or a Snorkel Vest to you or I.
Huh? Never heard of them. When I were a lad it was swimmers, flippers, a full face mask with two ping pong ball equipped snorkels built in (IIRC called a Medusa) and a bluddy great speargun. Even then we knew the value of streamlining. Oh, and a thick string around the waist with a large pin on it to thread the fish.

There are manual and Co2 cartridge versions, so it would seem prudent as part of a course to go over operation. Remember buoyancy control doesnt have to be underwater. A life vest is a BCD, just does it on the surface.
As above re streamlining and if we had trouble the intent was to ditch the speargun (they were pretty heavy on those days). If you have your wits about you you can float on the surface in that kind of configuration even if totally exhausted. Matter of fact you can also do it in thermal insulation slightly negatively buoyant, if you know how.

Yes, there are ifs and buts but that largely seemed to work given that, last time I looked, I still seemed to be alive even though some might beg to differ.

CO2 cartridges, fer heaven's sake, and if someone had come along with one of your "Snorkel Vests" they'd have been laughed out of court. A very close friend is a "snorkelling instructor" - we have these arguments all the time.

Oops, I'm dead in the water if said snorkelling instructor reads this. :eek:

Still doesn't explain those ignorant Scuba instructors, does it.

[Nigel Hewitt]

When adding up the kit don't forget some lead.

I need 3Kgs of lead in a 3mm shortie in fresh water.
10Kgs in my 5+5 in salt.

Perhaps that's why I don't think I need a BCD.
If the excrement entered the aircon I would just pop the belt.

[TerryH]

http://www.bestscubaonline.com/assets/images/svests2.jpg

[ChristianG]

http://www.bestscubaonline.com/assets/images/svests2.SNIP - we don't need to see it again
Terry,

It's a total nonsense designed to fool the gullible. Just because someone wants to make some money doesn't make it right and, by golly, these things are [I]not right.

As Nigel so rightly said, if thermal insulation is worn you get instant buoyancy (entirely without the significant penalties associated with Scuba in the same circumstances) as soon as you dump your weight.

The only mitigating circumstance that I can see for these devices is if they supported your head face up, out of the water, in case of unconsciousness. I happen to know that you're much too intelligent to make such a claim for any of the devices you illustrated.

[TerryH]

Terry,

It's a total nonsense designed to fool the gullible. Just because someone wants to make some money doesn't make it right and, by golly, these things are not right.

Sigh :rolleyes:

Every scubakit manufacturer makes these vests and they are always
sold at (mostly) warm-water LDS, so we can assume that its not a lost
leader and they are actually making money on it.

So if I want to learn how to skin dive and get taught how to use a MFS, then
wouldnt it be a good idea to cover any ancillary stuff that I might also use?

Just maybe the water is a tad too warm for a suit and this provides an
added safety aid, to those who may worry about rip-tides etc. ever thought
of that?

Just because you dont use it or aware of it, doesnt make it nonsense.

[ChristianG]

Every scubakit manufacturer makes these vests and they are always sold at (mostly) warm-water LDS, so we can assume that its not a lost leader and they are actually making money on it.
When did I ever say anything about loss leader?

So if I want to learn how to skin dive and get taught how to use a MFS, then wouldnt it be a good idea to cover any ancillary stuff that I might also use?
I looked up MFS on acronymfinder, lots of answers but none appropriate. Therefore I don't understand, or maybe don't want to understand, the question - especially if "ancillary stuff" means things like snorkels 'n' fins and suchlike.

As for "learning", as in being taught, that's my whole point. There weren't none when I did it nor did we seem to need it. So what's it all about that today we all apparently have to nanny hold hands?

Just maybe the water is a tad too warm for a suit and this provides an added safety aid, to those who may worry about rip-tides etc. ever thought of that?

Just because you dont use it or aware of it, doesnt make it nonsense.
Now you're being ridiculous. I really couldn't be bothered to explain why that might be the case and you should know better than to make such statements.

I'm outta here, gone, hasta la vista. Feel free to have the last word but the whole thing's getting pointless.

[TerryH]

I looked up MFS on acronymfinder, lots of answers but none appropriate.

Mask Fin Snorkel

As for "learning", as in being taught, that's my whole point. There weren't none when I did it nor did we seem to need it. So what's it all about that today we all apparently have to nanny hold hands?.

Christian you really do have accept that just beacuse you jumped into
50m and swum with Geat Whites on your first go there might be one or two
in the world that are s*it scared and want a bit fo reassurance.

Now you're being ridiculous. I really couldn't be bothered to explain why that might be the case and you should know better than to make such statements.

Not rediculous at all. We have an item that is sold in LDS and many have
a optional Co2 cartridge with no more instruction than "this is a good idea"
from a spotty shop assistant.


I'm outta here, gone, hasta la vista. Feel free to have the last word but the whole thing's getting pointless.

Your call.

[Nigel Hewitt]

Mask Fin Snorkel
ROTFL
I was wondering what it was.
From the context it should have been obvious.

[ChristianG]

ROTFL
I was wondering what it was.
From the context it should have been obvious.
But neither you, it seems, nor I, found it so. :rolleyes::)

[TerryH]

But neither you, it seems, nor I, found it so. :rolleyes::)

Tell you what, next time try this

http://www.bsacforum.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Diving_Abbreviations

Under M :rolleyes:

[rick stevens]

Sorry for not replying sooner Tina - do you have any contact details for them?

[rick stevens]

Reckon it easily equates to Basic Snorkel Diver, but while it looks similar
there does seem to be a lot more theory in Snorkel Diver.

.

Terry - Do you have a copy of the PADI skindiver syllabus? Just got an email from BSAC about the crossover. They are not familiar with the grade and couldnt comment without seeing hte syllabus

Rick

[JamesW]

Terry - Do you have a copy of the PADI skindiver syllabus? Just got an email from BSAC about the crossover. They are not familiar with the grade and couldnt comment without seeing hte syllabus
Rick

Rick
email sent
James