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ok ive just started scuba diving in a pool in bury and ive done all pool work and most theoy and im buying my equipment. ive bought a bc fins boots snorkel and im about to do open water at caperwray which should be gd but what equipmeny should i buy now?
Michael Purcell
07-05-2006, 16:45
Flippers=You bought a dolphin? That sure beats a DPV. :)
And I noticed you are missing a mask. Once you get one of those it will open up a whole other world to you actually being able to see underwater. :p
Seriously though, unless you don't have access to club kit I would hold off on the regs until you have had a chance to dive and chat with some other divers and get a chance to maybe even try some out. Tanks...can wait.
So assuming you have:
Mask
Fins
boots
(BCD) bonus
and one of those snorkel things that will pull your mask off when someone hits it.
I would hang in there for a little bit. As soon as I got fully kitted I decided if I could do it all over again I wouldn't make the same choices.
Of course if you don't have access to reliable kit then you will want to move ahead much quicker.
Cheers.
markbsac
07-05-2006, 16:59
i wondered who the first one would be to bite.....not sure if its a wind up or not ! flippers!!!
Chris Cherrington
07-05-2006, 17:41
I'll assume its for real...
IMHO the main item is the suit. If you intend to dive in UK waters a good drysuit is an investment. As they tend to be hard to rent it would be first on my list. Likewise a good fitting semi or wetsuit is much better than a rental one with "lumps and bumps" in it.
A computer would be next followed by regulators. Again regs can be rented just about anywhere, but a set of your own is nice.
A tank is probably about last on the wish-list.
Best wishes with the diving. (I take it you already have the goggles and Michael is just having fun :))
Chris
markbsac
07-05-2006, 19:24
i always reccomend a pony cylinder as a must have item before luxury items like computers...so i would say a main cylinder followed by a pony then a computer..an alternative air supply will save your life.my opinion only.
Michael Purcell
07-05-2006, 19:54
Not even an ocean dive under the belt and you have
drysuit
pony (which you aren't even instructed in yet)
Main cylinder.
why not get 'em on a twin set :D
David Walker
07-05-2006, 20:46
What you buy depends on what you have easy access to. There's absolutely no point buying pony now for example if everytime you want to dive you have to drive 20 miles to the nearest dive shop and spend £30 renting basic kit for the day. If, on the other hand, your club can lend you everything you need, then that may be something you might consider.
Its not usually worth buying cylinders before you have the rest of your kit - they are the easiest and "least likely to go wrong" thing to rent if you need them.
Drysuit would be very good if you're planning on diving in this country - they're difficult and expensive to rent, would be beneficial to do your training in the one you will always be using, and will make dives so much more comfortable. However, if you haven't done one dive here yet then i'd wait and see if you like it first!
Something like regs are good because you can use them both here and abroad - same with a BC, and so that might be a consideration too.
No definite answers for you, but we don't know enough to give you any - hopefully some things to think about though and help you to avoid expensive mistakes.
David
Chris Cherrington
07-05-2006, 21:31
i always reccomend a pony cylinder as a must have item before luxury items like computers...so i would say a main cylinder followed by a pony then a computer..an alternative air supply will save your life.my opinion only.
I find the idea that a computer is a "luxury" quite strange. No, in fact downright daft (sorry Mark).
The UK preoccupation (obsession?) with pony tanks is equally bizarre IMO. A very odd choice for someone that hasn't even finished training.....
As Michael says the OP still needs some more training and I accept that therefore a drysuit is an item that carries an additional "cost" in training terms. However, (in my defence) the OP is still under training and should be able to complete that training in a drysuit. Fair point though. (Oh and someone will be along soon to suggest the twinset, and a VR3, spare mask and 50kg lift wings I'm sure :D)
Maybe the best advice is therefore wait and see??
Chris
i got mask (1st thing i got) and i dont have pony yet and i do no what 1 is and i really need to learn how to use dry suit and soz i dont no what i was on about with flippers i ment fins and some how dolfin is just a bit out of my range and i got my bc which was 200 pound which works fine and a bc is a bcd and i havnt done bc and im in a pool so i wont run out of air there just show sign or surface and i might be getting my reg nexts and tank last but im using a 12 lt tank which ways alot and im only 16 and mostly every 1 eles is on 10
to be onist im probly still growning so a drysuit would be stupid to waist 500 pound on one and i have size 11 dive boots and some how there wont be a dry suit thats 5.8 foot with that big feet lol
Chris Cherrington
07-05-2006, 22:22
to be onist im probly still growning so a drysuit would be stupid to waist 500 pound on one and i have size 11 dive boots and some how there wont be a dry suit thats 5.8 foot with that big feet lol
Fair enough. Have fun with the course.
All the best
Chris
Alan Ewart
07-05-2006, 22:52
Am I alone in suspecting this guy is a troll?
No-one's spelling is that bad.
Have a read of some of his other posts. Asking what kit to buy, then happily giving advice on computers, Masks, places to dive etc.
A little too much info for a newbie methinks.
Dont feed!!
Badders (Dave)
07-05-2006, 22:56
Pardon for having to ask but, what is a troll?
Badders
Alan Ewart
07-05-2006, 23:26
Pardon for having to ask but, what is a troll?
Badders
Someone who posts on forums with no real object other than to wind people up
I thought it was to do with his height and feet size!;)
Michael Purcell
08-05-2006, 04:30
Sounds like you have things under control.
It's good you are thinking ahead about kit.
(As Chris said we/I was only teasing about the mask and "flippers")
All of the items people listed are good dive kit for your area but you need to get a couple of ocean dives under your belt before you make a huge investment. But the quicker you start talking to people about it, (like you are doing) the more informaed you will be to get the right gear for you.)
Welcome aboard.
Looks like a troll for sure Alan.
And if not Hal, try typing up your post in MS Word and hitting spellcheck, then copy and paste it to here. That way you can have onist 2 god english spellings in your post.
:D
Michael Purcell
08-05-2006, 08:08
Perhaps a troll or just a sixteen year old that could care less about spelling. I'm too lazy to look at previous posts to nail a troll but what the heck "dose" spelling have to do with being a "troll"?
Chris Cherrington
08-05-2006, 09:13
I thought it was to do with his height and feet size!;)
Oh dear - that's me then :) 5'6" and size 10.
You know what they say about men with big feet.. :rolleyes:
Chris
(They need big shoes :cool:)
AndyDavis
08-05-2006, 10:43
pony (which you aren't even instructed in yet)
What instruction would you need for a pony cylinder?!?!
Chris Cherrington
08-05-2006, 10:51
What instruction would you need for a pony cylinder?!?!
Correct rigging and placement, possible entanglement hazards, whether to leave turned on or off, dealing with a pony free-flow, use of SPG and positioning, types of regulators and hose routing and (perhaps most important) gas management calculations to ascertain safe use limits of different cylinder sizes.
Perhaps not major issues for an experienced diver but for a person yet to undertake an open water dive...
Chris
Tony Dwyer
08-05-2006, 11:43
i got mask (1st thing i got) and i dont have pony yet and i do no what 1 is and i really need to learn how to use dry suit and soz i dont no what i was on about with flippers i ment fins and some how dolfin is just a bit out of my range and i got my bc which was 200 pound which works fine and a bc is a bcd and i havnt done bc and im in a pool so i wont run out of air there just show sign or surface and i might be getting my reg nexts and tank last but im using a 12 lt tank which ways alot and im only 16 and mostly every 1 eles is on 10
Arrgh!!!
I suspect you may well be a troll, but **** 'deleted' it.
First off, good luck and well done for having the spine to have a go at diving, that is provided that you are genuine.
BUT!
I love the English language and I cannot stand seeing it tortured. At 16 you should be literate and be able to construct sentences with adequate spelling and punctuation.
This is not a school playground where kids vie with each other to see who can mangle the language most. This is a place where adults play.
Do yourself a VERY big favour. Go forth and become literate. It is a facility that will greatly enhance your life. Read LOTS, but read literature written by people with imagination and facilty with our language. Try writing lots too. Have your work criticised, mauled, torn up and thrown at you until it stops happening. Then maybe, just maybe, you might be considered literate.
Some clues.
i havnt done bc ?
BC or BCD are acronyms for 'Bouyancy Compensator' or 'Bouyancy Compensator Device'. BCD is an Americanism and the word device is redundant. A BC is a physical object. One does not do a physical object, ones uses it or perhaps learns how to use it.
im in a pool ?
Are you using a waterproof laptop? I suspect that you mean your training is still limited to pool activity.
im in a pool so i wont run out of air there just show sign or surface and i might be getting my reg nexts and tank last but im using a 12 lt tank which ways alot and im only 16 and mostly every 1 eles is on 10
I'm trying to understand this. Maybe it works out as follows.
I'm in a pool so I won't run out of air.
Ahh! You are amphibious.
There just show sign or surface.
Not sure about this bit, show what sign and to who? Perhaps you mean signal to someone and or show them where the surface is.
i might be getting my reg nexts and tank last but im using a 12 lt tank which ways alot and im only 16 and mostly every 1 eles is on 10
Let's see, maybe this:
I might be getting my regulator next and the tank will be the last item I obtain.
I'm using a 12 ltr tank which provides me with plenty of air. I'm only 16 years old. Most of the others in my group are using 10 ltr cylinders.
Much clearer is it not?
My scribbles have not acheived perfection and perhaps they never will, but at least my writings may be readily understood.
If you think I am being hard on you, when you get out into the real world of work, you will find yourself severely handicapped if the effort above is truly indicative of your communication skills. Bad grammar and lazy writing is a habit that one should avoid. It will bite you badly.
Try using a Word Processor with spelling and grammar checking, but it is far, far better to be able to compose unassisted.
I wish you the very best of luck. I suspect that you are going to need it.
Chris Cherrington
08-05-2006, 12:13
....This is not a school playground where kids vi with each other to see who can mangle the language most. This is a place where adults play.
....
Surely that's "vie" Tony?? :D
Chris
Tony Dwyer
08-05-2006, 12:17
Surely that's "vie" Tony?? :D
Chris
Argh!! :( you got me, and no, it was not a deliberate mistake. It was a trypo.
See, I said my scribblings were not perfect! :(
no, it was not a deliberate mistake. It was a trypo.
And there was me thinking it was a clever Unix joke :-)
Vic.
Tony Dwyer
08-05-2006, 13:57
And there was me thinking it was a clever Unix joke :-)
Vic.
Oo'er! last time I tried to use that orrible thing, it was in VMS. I gave that up in a hurry. :(
Michael Purcell
08-05-2006, 15:32
A group of people who say "at the weekend" have no business lecturing others about the English language. Just because it spawned from your neck of the woods doesn't mean you own it, anymore than the French own SCUBA diving. (seeing as they are one of the first to make SCUBA popular...even though the original concept equipment goes to the Yanks - I think)
:p
Arrgh!!!
I suspect you may well be a troll, but **** 'deleted' it.
First off, good luck and well done for having the spine to have a go at diving, that is provided that you are genuine.
BUT!
I love the English language and I cannot stand seeing it tortured. At 16 you should be literate and be able to construct sentences with adequate spelling and punctuation.
This is not a school playground where kids vie with each other to see who can mangle the language most. This is a place where adults play.
Do yourself a VERY big favour. Go forth and become literate. It is a facility that will greatly enhance your life. Read LOTS, but read literature written by people with imagination and facilty with our language. Try writing lots too. Have your work criticised, mauled, torn up and thrown at you until it stops happening. Then maybe, just maybe, you might be considered literate.
Some clues.
?
BC or BCD are acronyms for 'Bouyancy Compensator' or 'Bouyancy Compensator Device'. BCD is an Americanism and the word device is redundant. A BC is a physical object. One does not do a physical object, ones uses it or perhaps learns how to use it.
?
Are you using a waterproof laptop? I suspect that you mean your training is still limited to pool activity.
I'm trying to understand this. Maybe it works out as follows.
Ahh! You are amphibious.
Not sure about this bit, show what sign and to who? Perhaps you mean signal to someone and or show them where the surface is.
Let's see, maybe this:
I might be getting my regulator next and the tank will be the last item I obtain.
I'm using a 12 ltr tank which provides me with plenty of air. I'm only 16 years old. Most of the others in my group are using 10 ltr cylinders.
Much clearer is it not?
My scribbles have not acheived perfection and perhaps they never will, but at least my writings may be readily understood.
If you think I am being hard on you, when you get out into the real world of work, you will find yourself severely handicapped if the effort above is truly indicative of your communication skills. Bad grammar and lazy writing is a habit that one should avoid. It will bite you badly.
Try using a Word Processor with spelling and grammar checking, but it is far, far better to be able to compose unassisted.
I wish you the very best of luck. I suspect that you are going to need it.
Tony Dwyer
08-05-2006, 16:03
A group of people who say "at the weekend" have no business lecturing others about the English language. Just because it spawned from your neck of the woods doesn't mean you own it, anymore than the French own SCUBA diving. (seeing as they are one of the first to make SCUBA popular...even though the original concept equipment goes to the Yanks - I think)
:p
Your post does have the benefit of being Intelligible.
English was not spawned from my original neck of the woods. I am merely proud to use it.
It is a language that has been the tool of great prose and I have no doubt will continue to be so. In order to to partake of such riches, it is first requisite that one be able to understand and use the language.
There is no excuse for being illiterate in this country. Probably not politically correct, but I believe it to be true.
I am a firm believer that structured thought is only made possible through the accomplished use of language. I am very much aware that I think in English. It allows me to marshall and test my thoughts. I wonder how someone who has a restricted grasp of the tongue manages.
If English is not the province of the denizens of this land, whose is it? The Americans, I think not. a people that habitually use the term 'different than' should be bombarded with their own corrupted dictionaries.
The Americans, I think not. a people that habitually use the term 'different than' should be bombarded with their own corrupted dictionaries.
Careful, Tony - there's not much diving in Guantanamo...
Vic.
Tony Dwyer
08-05-2006, 16:15
Careful, Tony - there's not much diving in Guantanamo...
Vic.
I'd have to show one of my PADI cards :) or maybe my Irish passport. I believe it counts as a 'get out of jail free' voucher in some parts of the USA.
My tongue is firmly in my cheek.
Chris Cherrington
08-05-2006, 16:26
I'd have to show one of my PADI cards :) or maybe my Irish passport. I believe it counts as a 'get out of jail free' voucher in some parts of the USA.
My tongue is firmly in my cheek.
Buceo en Cuba! (es mucho bueno). http://www.cuba-individual.com/s_bucear.htm
No horrid Americans..... :D
Chris
Tony Dwyer
08-05-2006, 16:38
Buceo en Cuba! (es mucho bueno). http://www.cuba-individual.com/s_bucear.htm
No horrid Americans..... :D
Chris
Muy buen, felicidad. Habla tequila?
or perhaps that should be Bacardi ? :)
Badders (Dave)
08-05-2006, 16:47
Why is someone who cant spell or punctuate liable to be a troll?
However I don't think Hal has replied to anything written about him on here, or denied being a troll!
If hall is reading this, perhaps he would spend a moment to tell us a bit about him or indeed herself.
Badders
Chris Cherrington
08-05-2006, 16:55
...
If hall is reading this, perhaps he would spend a moment to tell us a bit about him or indeed herself.
..
I can't let you do that Dave...
(Oh no that was the other HAL :D)
Chris
ok what the hell are you on about 1st i was typing short and second ive bein using forums for ages and never heard of troll (weird) ok u go back to make weird names and thank you for all your help btw
Tony Dwyer
08-05-2006, 17:49
ok what the hell are you on about 1st i was typing short and second ive bein using forums for ages and never heard of troll (weird) ok u go back to make weird names and thank you for all your help btw
You have obviously been on forums with other youngsters. Trolls are well understood in the world of forums inhabited by adults and other species of internet denizens.
Please, please use proper punctuation and proper case when typing. It makes reading much easier.
If you want to be taken seriously and it appears that you do, it will help if you drop the txt speak and use real English.
ive bein using forums for ages and never heard of troll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
(weird)
Couldn't agree more...
Vic.
Badders (Dave)
08-05-2006, 18:18
Personally, I am the world's worst speller - and punctuation, oh-eck!:eek: (if you read any of my posts you'll know what I mean!!)
So please take this in the spirit in which it is sent. A bit of fun :D
Do yourself a VERY big favour. Go forth and become literate. It is a facility that will greatly enhance your life. Read LOTS, but read literature written by people with imagination and facilty with our language.
I'll give you Facility or facilty as you got it right the first time.
BC or BCD are acronyms for 'Bouyancy Compensator' or 'Bouyancy Compensator Device'. BCD is an Americanism and the word device is redundant. A BC is a physical object. One does not do a physical object, ones uses it or perhaps learns how to use it.
Is it Bouyancy or Buoyancy A tricky one I admit.. mmm
My scribbles have not acheived perfection and perhaps they never will, but at least my writings may be readily understood.
'I' before 'E' except after 'C' (unless its a name) acheived or achieved :D :D
Seriously Tony, I always find your posts "readily understood" well written, Informative and a joy to read.
Badders
ok i will type english to keep all of you happy and trust me no one has said troll i went on world of warcraft ( a game for people who dont no what it is) and no one knows what it is and i was being onist about what equipment to buy and stop TAKING THE MIC
(soz spelling is not my strong point)
Adrian Kelland
08-05-2006, 20:20
ok i will type english to keep all of you happy and trust me no one has said troll i went on world of warcraft ( a game for people who dont no what it is) and no one knows what it is and i was being onist about what equipment to buy and stop TAKING THE MIC
(soz spelling is not my strong point)
There's me thinking that Trolls were one of the races in WoW. :)
Tony Dwyer
08-05-2006, 21:23
ok i will type english to keep all of you happy and trust me no one has said troll i went on world of warcraft ( a game for people who dont no what it is) and no one knows what it is and i was being onist about what equipment to buy and stop TAKING THE MIC
(soz spelling is not my strong point)
Close, but no banana! Where's the punctuation and proper case?
What does soz mean? An abbreviation for sozzled perhaps.
Warcraft is full of total bananas living in a fantasy world. Which is fine until you carry it into the real world.
I'm a tired old git. I have enough trouble deciphering corporate speak at work, I'd rather not have to get my grandkids in to translate for me.
Tony Dwyer
08-05-2006, 21:34
Personally, I am the world's worst speller - and punctuation, oh-eck!:eek: (if you read any of my posts you'll know what I mean!!)
So please take this in the spirit in which it is sent. A bit of fun :D
I'll give you Facility or facilty as you got it right the first time.
Is it Bouyancy or Buoyancy A tricky one I admit.. mmm
'I' before 'E' except after 'C' (unless its a name) acheived or achieved :D :D
Seriously Tony, I always find your posts "readily understood" well written, Informative and a joy to read.
Badders
Badders
I did say that my scribbles are not perfect, especially when they're written between meetings and telephone calls. It's just as well I didn't spill my coffee on the keyboard.
I would claim mostly typos rather than lack of spelling ability. I find that my right hand is faster than my left and I often get keys transposed. I don't always spot them all before hitting submit.
By the way, I've always thought it was buoyancy!
Und i before e unless it's in German! :)
I hope that the intended light heartedness of my digs at Hal came across.
Thank you for the compliment.
David Walker
08-05-2006, 22:16
Ahhh, its not "wrong" spelling as such... just a different kind of spelling!
He's just spelling fon-etik-ally. "Onist" is my own personal favourite! :rolleyes:
David
There's me thinking that Trolls were one of the races in WoW. :)
lol they are its just im being called a troll for asking what equipment to buy and could we please get back to subject and what should i buy next
thank you for people who did actuly help and not take the mic out of me and went diving tonite brilliant now 1 theory lession and 5 open water left
Chris Cherrington
08-05-2006, 23:26
...went diving tonite brilliant now 1 theory lession and 5 open water left
Glad you're having a good time.. As you get more into the course and do some open water stuff it should help you make your mind up.
We're all keen to see you get stuff you like and enjoy your diving.
Chris
Tony Dwyer
08-05-2006, 23:33
lol they are its just im being called a troll for asking what equipment to buy and could we please get back to subject and what should i buy next
thank you for people who did actuly help and not take the mic out of me and went diving tonite brilliant now 1 theory lession and 5 open water left
You are suspected of being a troll because of your posting style.
Equipment.
First, determine what you actually have.
Then what is available from your branch.
Hire or buy anything else you need.
Speak to your instructors, they will help with advice.
If your first open water dive is to be in a dry suit, you must do the dry suit course first.
As for asking us what to buy and when? For me the sequence would be:
Mask, snorkel & fins
Regulator set (including instruments) BC & cylinder
Semi Dry or Dry Suit plus a hood & gloves
suitable weight system
Dive computer
Pony set
Accessories - knives (or cutters), lamps etc
Photography stuff
Large shed to store it. Don't forget the padlocks.
Car or van to carry it all in. :)
I trust that you have access to ready funds. SCUBA gear is not cheap.
By the way, I am not / was not taking the mick. My advice to you was sound and still stands. Go and become literate. There is no excuse to be otherwise.
Badders (Dave)
09-05-2006, 01:31
Tony
A I said
"I always find your posts readily understood, well written, Informative and a joy to read"
The compliment was a pleasure, you deserve it.
Thanks for being (must be German origin) a sport
Badders
OR
Ein I, das "ich gesagt wird, finde immer Ihre Pfosten bereitwillig verstanden, gut geschrieben, informativ und eine Freude, um zu lesen" Das Kompliment war ein Vergnügen, Sie verdienen es. Dank für Sein (sein muß Deutsches origen), ein Sport. mmm Perhaps I should stick to English.
Badders
Tony Dwyer
09-05-2006, 10:14
Tony
A I said
"I always find your posts readily understood, well written, Informative and a joy to read"
The compliment was a pleasure, you deserve it.
Thanks for being (must be German origin) a sport
Badders
OR
Ein I, das "ich gesagt wird, finde immer Ihre Pfosten bereitwillig verstanden, gut geschrieben, informativ und eine Freude, um zu lesen" Das Kompliment war ein Vergnügen, Sie verdienen es. Dank für Sein (sein muß Deutsches origen), ein Sport. mmm Perhaps I should stick to English.
Badders
Vielen dank. Du bist ein mensch!
Ich bin ein Berlinner.....
Badders (Dave)
09-05-2006, 10:48
Ich bin ein Berlinner.....
Guten Tag
sind Sie ein Berliner, oder Berlinner?
Badders
You are suspected of being a troll because of your posting style.I suspect he's a teenager ;)
My advice to you was sound and still stands. Go and become literate. There is no excuse to be otherwise.Teenspeak is (unfortunately) a developing global language (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4074004.stm) set to give Esperanto a run for it's money. Allegedly the DSS and McDonalds are currently translating their application forms :D
I particularly like the term;
fudge - a very, very stupid person indeed - the implication being that these letters will be their GCSE results.
It used to be spealt FAIL when I was at school :D
Tony Dwyer
09-05-2006, 11:22
I suspect he's a teenager ;)
Teenspeak is (unfortunately) a developing global language (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4074004.stm) set to give Esperanto a run for it's money. Allegedly the DSS and McDonalds are currently translating their application forms :D
I particularly like the term;
It used to be spealt FAIL when I was at school :D
Fortunately teenagers eventually become adults. I've raised two myself.
When my son (of whom I am justly proud) was 24 he came home to visit and one of the first things he said to me was;
'Dad, I've been stupid for years. How come you didn't shoot me?'
There has always been a version of 'teenspeak', it's part of their trying to be 'different', not realising that they are essentially all the same. Just take a look at the teenaged herds in any town centre on a Saturday afternoon.
Back in the 60's we had:
far Out, cool, fab, rad, downer (not a drug) and out of sight to name but some. There is nothing new to this, it's simply an attempt to exclude oldies and include their own tribal groups.
What's a collective noun for teenagers? A 'Sulk' perhaps?
Nobody understands us they cry! Well we might if you spoke English, say I.
We understand them only too well. After all, we were all teenagers once, for me it was only 40 years ago, quite recent really. :)
We should not pander to their juvenile behaviour, remember we need them to be sensible, productive and caring. We need them to pay for our pensions!
A daughter of a friend of mine has recently started speaking 'teenspeak' with a Jamaican accent no less and the 'gangsta' hand waving (she is not black). I ignored her. She eventually switched back to real English and asked me why I wasn't speaking to her. I explained that my language skills do not include gibberish and if she wishes to speak with me then she should do so in a language that I understand readily. It worked.
Chris Cherrington
09-05-2006, 11:42
..
It used to be spealt FAIL when I was at school :D
That's like "spelt" innit??
Chris:p
Chris Cherrington
09-05-2006, 11:43
Mmmmm doughnuts......
Chris
Tony Dwyer
09-05-2006, 11:56
Mmmmm doughnuts......
Chris
Ich auch!
Alan Ewart
09-05-2006, 12:39
What's a collective noun for teenagers? A 'Sulk' perhaps?
A thicket ;)
Adrian Kelland
09-05-2006, 13:00
A thicket ;)
A ficket :D
I WONT FAIL MY GCSE!!!! and btw how are your o levels are they in the basement well go dig them up what did you get?? 1? 2? 3? go dig them up and tell me and if they are rubish then dont try t blame other people you ***
good for you and soz is short for sorry. you should of now that and would you stop calling me it really taking the p*ss (hope you can figure that out) ad basicly your just spaming about my typing style and why you keep linking about things so my turn
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(electronic)#Newsgroup_spam_and_Forum_spam
Michael Purcell
09-05-2006, 17:25
Actually your inability to communicate in a format appropriate for the social situation is what hijacked this thread. Everyone posting is more interested in slagging you and what you originally asked is lost.
Sorry Hal, you hijacked your own thread. I would hardly call the responses you have received SPAM as the community is more interested in dealing with your method of communication than your original question.
...
Of course there is always the possiblity that HAL is actually someone's SOCK.
Nigel Hewitt
09-05-2006, 17:55
Ich bin ein Berlinner.....
I am a doughnut.
Ich bin Berlinner would be I am from Berlin
ein Berlinner is a thing called a Berlinner.
The only thing called a Berlinner is a doughnut.
It was pointed out to be at the time by a native German who though it was so funny to here the 'Leader of the Western World' punctuating a serious speech with "I am a doughnut".
Chris Cherrington
09-05-2006, 19:08
.... you ***
Surely that's ****.... :D :D :D :D
Chris (O-level woodwork)
Tony Dwyer
09-05-2006, 19:21
good for you and soz is short for sorry. you should of now that and would you stop calling me it really taking the p*ss (hope you can figure that out) ad basicly your just spaming about my typing style and why you keep linking about things so my turn
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(electronic)#Newsgroup_spam_and_Forum_spam
Pretty much incomprehensible as written. Except for the first bit. I'll have to break it up a bit.
Why type soz when sorry is so much clearer. I'm an adult, as are most of the people that use this forum. Je parl pas teanspeak.
you should of now that
What should I now? Or do you mean know?
and would you stop calling me it really taking the p*ss (hope you can figure that out)
What am I calling you? I have not called you anything.
I am not taking the p*ss, I am being very serious. If you want to be taken seriously by grownups, it's time to do some growing up yourself. I've said before that this forum is not a kiddies playground. If you want to contribute compose meaningful prose. I have sneaking suspicion that if you try, it might actually be quite good.
You will not gain respect by presenting yourself as an illiterate complainer or being agressively abusive. I have always regarded the use of habitual expletives as a sign of a poor vocabulary. :)
ad basicly your just spaming about my typing style and why you keep linking about things so my turn
No I'm not spamming. There is only one copy of this message and it's on this forum.
I don't understand the second half of the above at all. Help anyone?
If you want to be understood. Use English.
PS - Punctuation, proper case and do not abbreviate unecessarily.
Best wishes
Tony
Grumpy old Pedant. :)
Tony Dwyer
09-05-2006, 19:26
Surely that's ****.... :D :D :D :D
Chris (O-level woodwork)
Chris
I'm impressed! I dropped that one. I could never saw straight. :( Still can't!
David Walker
09-05-2006, 19:35
I WONT FAIL MY GCSE!!!! and btw how are your o levels are they in the basement well go dig them up what did you get?? 1? 2? 3? go dig them up and tell me and if they are rubish then dont try t blame other people you ***
Well i won't tell you what I got (since its not really relevant - but don't worry I didn't fail them all!) but the problem most people have found with your posts is that they're very difficult to read. These are online forums - people make quick posts, and the odd spelling mistake, missed full stop, or even slight abuse of punctuation is to be expected. Its just that the combination of no punctuation, no capitalisation, no paragraphs, no spacing, and abbreviations that together border on unreadable.
David
There has always been a version of 'teenspeak', it's part of their trying to be 'different', not realising that they are essentially all the same. Just take a look at the teenaged herds in any town centre on a Saturday afternoon....There is nothing new to this, it's simply an attempt to exclude oldies and include their own tribal groups.Nicely summarised in Anthony Burgess' A Clockwork Orange with his Nadsat speaking Droogs.
What's a collective noun for teenagers? A 'Sulk' perhaps?'Pubationers' I would think.
We should not pander to their juvenile behaviour, remember we need them to be sensible, productive and caring. We need them to pay for our pensions!Perhaps you should set an example, sell your dive kit and stop SKIing* :D
*Spending the Kids Inheritance.
I WONT FAIL MY GCSE!!!!I am sure you will not. From what I can work out it is not possible to fail a GCSE. The point to which I was alluding. Sadly you are the product of political correctness. Your schooling may not have taught you to be responsible for the consequences of your behaviour. Hopefully diving will.
Je parl pas teanspeak...
Best wishes
Tony
Grumpy old Pedant. :)
Is it bad that I, as a teenager also found it hard to understand the post?
Does that make me a grumpy old(ish) pedant?
Oh dear - that's me then :) 5'6" and size 10.
You know what they say about men with big feet.. :rolleyes:
Big socks............... :)
sorry couldn't resist
Tony Dwyer could you please stop your corrections it is really annoying. I am using English punctuation just because of Tony Dwyer and his English teacher corrections it's like being in school with a teacher as the correct all of your spellings. Yes this has gone off topic but to some of the kind people who did actual help. I plan to buy my regs first and then my drysuit.
thank you all
Tony Dwyer
09-05-2006, 22:23
Tony Dwyer could you please stop your corrections it is really annoying. I am using English punctuation just because of Tony Dwyer and his English teacher corrections it's like being in school with a teacher as the correct all of your spellings. Yes this has gone off topic but to some of the kind people who did actual help. I plan to buy my regs first and then my drysuit.
thank you all
That's an improvement, but you still have some way to go.
I'm not an English teacher. I'm both a Judo and and Scuba diving instructor.
To become a diving instructor (BSAC and PADI) I had to pass a number of exams, some of which involved communicating with others.
In my work and my main hobby (diving) I need to be able to express myself clearly and concisely. This will also be true for you.
Get into the habit. If you succed, I may have done you a favour of incalcuable value.
I wish you well.
regards
Tony
Adrian Kelland
09-05-2006, 22:36
As Hal is now writing in a format that the majority of us are familiar with, can we get back to answering his questions.
Here endeth the (grammar) lesson.
Adrian
Chris Cherrington
09-05-2006, 23:18
...I plan to buy my regs first and then my drysuit.
Good for you. Any particular regs in mind? There are some good deals on the Apeks TX range as this is being "replaced" by the ATX (which is much the same only reversable)
The new Scubapro Mk11 is worth a look too.
The DIN fitting is much better (if less popular) than the A clamp as it doesn't suffer from O ring problems.
Chris
Alan Ewart
09-05-2006, 23:31
Sadly you are the product of political correctness. Your schooling may not have taught you to be responsible for the consequences of your behaviour. Hopefully diving will.
Now Matt, I think you are bordering on making sweeping generalisations. :D
Not all children are illiterate and seemingly incapable of stringing two words together to make a comprehensible sentence.
My youngest is 7.5 years old and I'm pleased to say, that although he was taught to read and wrte phonetically, (Jolly phonics) he is both literate, and engaging.
David Walker
09-05-2006, 23:56
Firstly, hurray for an easily readable post from Hal - soooo much nicer :)
Good for you. Any particular regs in mind? There are some good deals on the Apeks TX range as this is being "replaced" by the ATX (which is much the same only reversable)
Or ATX replaced by XTX even... :rolleyes:
ATX would be a good choice - XTX it too expensive at the minute (in my opinion).
David
Chris Cherrington
10-05-2006, 10:48
Or ATX replaced by XTX even... :rolleyes:
Sorry - yes the new one is the XTX. (very confusing, maybe they should call it the allnewmegamotherfu or something like that instead :D)
Apeks have great after-sales service and hold their value secondhand. Just don't buy the Quantum....
Chris
There is a dive shop named Dive Life which i have got most of my equipment from the website is http://www.divelife.co.uk/ but i think some of the prices are a bit expensive. have a look and say what you think if you want
Adrian Kelland
10-05-2006, 13:30
There is a dive shop named Dive Life which i have got most of my equipment from the website is http://www.divelife.co.uk/ but i think some of the prices are a bit expensive. have a look and say what you think if you want
If you thought they were a bit expensive, why did you buy from them? If you are going to buy online, there is a lot of choice - just watch out for postage costs.
Adrian
There is a dive shop named Dive Life which i have got most of my equipment from the website is http://www.divelife.co.uk/ but i think some of the prices are a bit expensive. have a look and say what you think if you want
I am surprised you find Brett expensive, he is a guy you can trust both on what he sells and the advice he gives and he has a great reputation.
[quote=Fiona]I am surprised you find Brett expensive, he is a guy you can trust both on what he sells and the advice he gives and he has a great reputation.[/QUOTI
Never said all his stuff is expensive but i plan getting regs of him but i have found things cheaper on the Internet. I do trust him he gives me discounts and everything nice guy
Mike Halligan
10-05-2006, 17:11
My youngest is 7.5 years old and I'm pleased to say, that although he was taught to read and wrte phonetically, (Jolly phonics) he is both literate, and engaging.
Give education time. 13 years unrelieved tedium does things to kids.:eek:
Never said all his stuff is expensive but i plan getting regs of him but i have found things cheaper on the Internet. I do trust him he gives me discounts and everything nice guy
When buying your dive kit remember that price is not the only thing you need to consider. If you buy from a box shifter the regs will probably come unassembled, it's not difficult to put together yourself but equally it is not difficult to damage them as most are made from relativley soft brass. Also new regs often go out of tune after a couple of dives as everything beds in, if you have bought them locally this is not a problem as the shop will set them up again for free, whereas if they were mailorder you either have to get them back to the orginal dealer or pay someone local to do.
And finally think about servicing, can you get what ever reg you are thinking of buying serviced locally, if you buy it locally then yes, if not...
Only you can weigh up the convenience against cost but make sure you consider it
HTH
I'll ask Brett what to get. I will forget mail just don't trust the royal but i saw some good ones with compass and depth so i might buy them soon :D
Adrian Kelland
10-05-2006, 18:48
Were you get that from?
Experience probably.
OK this thread has gone very big with 1000+ viewers. Just for asking what equipment to buy next.
I didn't say all of his stuff is expensive. he got some good deals especially he gives a discount and fills my tanks up sometimes for free
I bought my regulator set for the princely sum of £275.
It is the usual Apeks ATX40 set that seems to be recommended by most divers. Consisting of a DST first stage, ATX40 second stage, ATX40 octopus and a Mares Mission 2 console (which came for free apparently, but isnt recommended, becuase all gauges should be wrist mounted for ease of use except an SPG which is connected to the first stage for telling you how much air you have left). A simple regulator set that is good for all types of diving and is low on maintenance costs.
My jacket is actually a wing, but i love it. Plus its a one size fits all design. Have a look at a Buddy Tekwing when you consider a BCD. If you choose to get one (or a travel wing), dont get the suicide bottle option (a built in air cylinder for inflating the BCD), but do get the twinning bands (for when you get those twin's).
I bought my kit in a different order to the one other people subscribe to, mine was something like this:
1) BCD
2) 12L Air Cylinder
3) Wetsuit
4) Regulators
5) More Air Cylinders (2x10L and a 3L Pony)
and i bought loads of other items on ebay as and when i saw something i wanted (reels, torches, knives, dsmb). I already had fins, mask and snorkel, but have since invested in a new set (how can a diving mask cost £40????).
The last thing on my list is a computer and im still to get one of those.
For the minute though, just take your time and carefully consider what you need. Once you've been diving for a while and know you are going to continue in the sport, then start to amass your kit.
some equipment is expensive but my mask cost 38 pound which is not that bad. im gettingmy regs to and how did your test go?
I passed it.
I need to catch up on a couple of lectures (which may be a problem since all diving sessions are now finished until malta). But it will get sorted, even if i have to do the lectures on the plane to malta, lol.
For now though im planning to dive every weekend from now until i jet off, probably inland sites for the minute. Then after i get the sports diver practical stuff done, i'll see about getting some dives in the sea in Western Wales while im down there this summer.
For the minute Hal, dont worry about major kit items (unless your club has a stupidly high lenders fee attached to borrowing kit), the time will come eventually when you can consider getting it all. Of course if you had a spare £500, then by all means splash out and get the Regs and BCD out of the way (and ebay can offer you a 12L air cylinder in test usually for about £40 or less, sometimes within your area).
so is it easy? And i got my stab ages ago and i will probly get my regs next.
Sports Diver or Ocean Diver?
I never did Ocean Diver, im a PADI crossover. Sports Diver exam is relatively easy if you know your subject area. I didnt on my first attempt, but i corrected myself and did my homework for the second attempt and passed it. Expect questions with annoying answers that make no sense :p . Of course it all depends what paper you get (as i've found out recently).
But read as much as you can on diving before you do it. Don't just stick with BSAC reading materials either, look at other stuff as well. Take all the best bits from all the agencies, and write your own manual. I have a bunch of PADI manuals, several BSAC books, links to various diving sites etc. You will need to be able to work out things like air required for dives based on xL tanks, partial pressures, tables and surface intervals, various other random stuff on dsmb's and nitrox. Their are some tests you can do found here on the bsac.org site http://bsac.org/learn/quiz/index.html which i used before my current test.
Did i say read that manual you get when you start the course, lol.
But whatever you do, just relax when you take it. Theirs no point getting stressed over it.
Mike Halligan
14-05-2006, 13:46
Did i say read that manual you get when you start the course, lol.
But whatever you do, just relax when you take it. Theirs no point getting stressed over it.
The invigilating NQI is permitted to judge that, in your understanding of the question, your answer is reasonable - and adjust the overall marks accordingly.
Most instructors recognise that the theory test is to validate learning, not examine English comprehension, and act accordingly. If you really don't understand a question or truly believe it can be taken two ways, then ask before you select your answer. If the scheme then says your answer is worng, don't get hung up, discuss why you answered as you did. You may be surprised and find your instructor agrees with you.
HTH
Mike
stabjacket
15-05-2006, 16:45
As long as you read through you're diving manual and notes, you should be ok.
Make sure you understand the tables, and how to work out your air consumption.
There are also some example papers on the bsac website.
As for equipment, dont worry too much about getting your own if you can borrow it, concentate on your training.
I would recommend getting a dive computer after you have passed youre ocean diver, it allows you to do a lot more dives than tables will, and will also help show you how bad your buoyancy is :D
As for the spelling, leave him alone, the english language is very diverse, many regions have Colloquialisms, the so called "teenspeak" as you put it could be considered one of them.
Why tear someone apart because of the way they talk when they ask for help?
Because if people werent torn apart, we would have to stick on topic much longer, and as far as i can tell there is an unwritten rule that by the end of the 3rd page of a thread at least one distraction must have happened...
As for the spelling, leave him alone, the english language is very diverse, many regions have Colloquialisms, the so called "teenspeak" as you put it could be considered one of them.
Why tear someone apart because of the way they talk when they ask for help?
Yes thank you some one agrees and im about to do open water so it should be good and i have heard the test has some weird written words.
Adrian Kelland
15-05-2006, 19:36
Why tear someone apart because of the way they talk when they ask for help? It wasn't about the way he talked, but about the way he wrote.
If you want help and ask a question, you are far more likely to get suitable responses if readers don't have to struggle to understand what you have written, let alone asked.
Presentation is important in all walks of life, much is about uniformity and fitting in. 'Teenspeak' is just another example of uniformity and fitting in.
However most of us here are adults and prefer 'Adultwrite'. It has a far wider usage and acceptance. Given the basic rules of 'Adultwrite' - punctuation being the main one, it is quite cable of being understood when regional dialects etc. are used.
Now as I implied in a previous post, no more comments re the spelling and grammar in this thread. Just answer the questions. Any further comments regarding Hal's presentation in this thread will be deleted.
Adrian
so is it easy?Well it's important. If you know what you need to know to dive safely at Ocean Diver level you will pass. If you don't you will not.
Have a go at the old Club Diver online quiz and you will get a very good feel for what you need to know.
yeah i understand that, i just feel that stripping down each post and rewriting them was a bit too far, time that could have been spent helping the OP.The OP eventually managed to get out an understandable post and went up in my estimation no end. So I would say that the time spent stripping apart his post was well spent.
It also proves that he can understand English, which will probably help when he comes to take his exams and read the instruction manuals that accompany his new equipment.
A rather tenuous, constructive, on topic post I believe :D
Adrian Kelland
15-05-2006, 21:55
The OP eventually managed to get out an understandable post and went up in my estimation no end. So I would say that the time spent stripping apart his post was well spent.
It also proves that he can understand English, which will probably help when he comes to take his exams and read the instruction manuals that accompany his new equipment.
A rather tenuous, constructive, on topic post I believe :D
The Sword of Damocles by comparision was tied by a steel hawser. An appropriate analogy I think. :D
If possible could you send a link for one of the old tests i got no luck finding.
If possible could you send a link for one of the old tests i got no luck finding.Happy to oblige
http://www.bsac.org/learn/quiz/index.html
:D
OK i think I'm doing OK. I am currently getting 80% on average is that ok for the test?
OK i think I'm doing OK. I am currently getting 80% on average is that ok for the test?
That is the pass mark so if you can improve by doing a bit more revision it will give you a margin for error
Mark Cowgill
19-05-2006, 10:51
Please do not stop this thread. I think we are seeing the birth of a new langauge, every one at our club now speaks in hal speak and I am begining to understand some of the words my kids use at the dinner table now. please keep posting hal. :)
Only kidding hal I will swop my spelling with you for your youth any day. Please dont look at my old posts or you will know I am the worlds biggest hypocrite.:)
Mark
Well thank you i guess but i stopped that a while back. I have being typing like this since i got a lot of criticism. Looks like my English is very useful. personally i don't like setting new trends and i don't wont my first thread to die and thank you :}
Well i would never think when i made this thread it would become one of the biggest treads i have ever made. ( didn't think it would go off topic) and all that. I wish to thank all of people who did keep to topic.
thank you people :D
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