Ocean Diver Referal?

[AndyDavis]

When a BSAC member has part-completed the Ocean Diver course, they can take their QRB to a new branch and finish their course/gain qualification.

My question is, how much of the course should be completed?

If virtually all aspects have been signed off by a NQI, should the branch seek to assess the standards of the trainee before awarding the qualification?

Also, what other documentation (other than BSAC membership, self-certification of fit to dive and QRB) needs to be presented?

[Adrian Kelland]

When a BSAC member has part-completed the Ocean Diver course, they can take their QRB to a new branch and finish their course/gain qualification.

My question is, how much of the course should be completed?

If virtually all aspects have been signed off by a NQI, should the branch seek to assess the standards of the trainee before awarding the qualification?

Also, what other documentation (other than BSAC membership, self-certification of fit to dive and QRB) needs to be presented?
It shouldn't matter. And given the stage the student is at, it should be obvious to the instructor if the student does not appear as competent as a log book might imply. The documents you list are all that should be required.

Timing will matter though. If a branch can fit someone in with an existing prgramme, it help all concerned. Afterall you are expecting someone to give up their free time.

Adrian

[TerryH]

It shouldn't matter. And given the stage the student is at, it should be obvious to the instructor if the student does not appear as competent as a log book might imply. The documents you list are all that should be required.
Adrian

Err sorry Adrian IMO it does, big time.

Anybody, even a 1st class/NI should expect some sort of checkout on
joining a new club. So why then should someone who isnt even signed up
as a diver be exempt from same?

This doesnt have to be a major reworking, but a brief check on whats been
covered allready should suffice.

T.

[Mike Halligan]

When a BSAC member has part-completed the Ocean Diver course, they can take their QRB to a new branch and finish their course/gain qualification.

My question is, how much of the course should be completed?

If virtually all aspects have been signed off by a NQI, should the branch seek to assess the standards of the trainee before awarding the qualification?

Andy,

IMHO, yes. There is, I believe, a duty of care to the Branch's instructors and potential buddies. However, the purpose of the assessment is to assure learning already certified, not to inspect standards of teaching delivered.

Also, what other documentation (other than BSAC membership, self-certification of fit to dive and QRB) needs to be presented?

Should not the Branch Training Record be transferred?

HTH
Mike

[Steve in Sharm]

In my very humble opinion!!

Check out dive! (pool or open water) yes if pos it would be preferable, that way you can see if the student is up to the standard the book claims (they can be faked you know, yes they can!).

But, this is not an absolute necessity as the remainder of the course should show how good he/she is, and after all, we are doing it for free etc etc.

If pos it would be good for a copy of the branch training record to be sent seperately to the new branch, that would also help prevent forgery of modules passed.

Steve :cool:

[Taff Griffiths]

Hi all

When I started diving due to my job it was taking for ever to complete the OD course. So when I managed to get some time off, with the approval of my DO I hasten to add, I researched places where I could finish off my OD course. After a long search I found a dive centre in Malta who had the appropriate BSAC instructors and who were willing to finish off my training.

Before I dived they critically examined my QRB and asked me plenty of searching questions on what I had actually done both practically and theory. I was then subjected to a check dive which encompassed all the pool skills to ascertain my compencey. Only after this did they proceed with my training.

On completion of my training they quite rightly refused to sign my OD qualification ticket stating that it had to be my DO and if my DO wanted to contact them with regards to the training that they had completed, there would be no problem with that.

When I returned to my club my DO insisted that I have a check dive before he would sign my QRB.

This initial experience has thaught me that it is always good practice to check and not asume that all what is written down is gospel. So now I am a OWI and a more experienced diver, I never blindly take a QRB as gospel I will always ask questions and reserve judgement on a fellow diver regardless of qualification until I have dived with them or had a respected fellow diver pass comment on their abilities. :D

So IMHO it is possible to complete training by referring them to someone else as long as all parties are happy with this and that the student are willing to undergo check dives and review of knowledge when requested.

[AndyDavis]

Sensible advice. However, it strikes me a ludicrous that an organisation like BSAC doesn't have a formal procedure for branch changes of part-qualified students. So many unofficial checks of ability, check-dives, interogations (sorry probing questions) and telephone calls going on....perhaps this might be a little/a lot daunting to the student? It certainly wouldn't happen with other diving organisations.

Surely a quick call to verify things with the instructor/s concerned would be sufficient? If the QRB and instructor signature/number isn't sufficient, then BSAC should find a process that is. :cool:

[Ben Panter]

I'm sure that you walked into a BSAC school and said that you wanted to be an instructor within 6 months, cost no problem they would be very happy to oblige. The PADI instructors who go down this route are typically on internships, diving all the time. It costs an arm and a leg too...

Ben

[AndyDavis]

I'm sure that you walked into a BSAC school and said that you wanted to be an instructor within 6 months, cost no problem they would be very happy to oblige. The PADI instructors who go down this route are typically on internships, diving all the time. It costs an arm and a leg too...

Ben

Sorry? Did you post this on the wrong thread? We were talking about OD training.:confused:

[Mike Halligan]

Sensible advice. However, it strikes me a ludicrous that an organisation like BSAC doesn't have a formal procedure for branch changes of part-qualified students. So many unofficial checks of ability, check-dives, interogations (sorry probing questions) and telephone calls going on....perhaps this might be a little/a lot daunting to the student? It certainly wouldn't happen with other diving organisations.



Not wanting to steal our esteemed leader's thunder, honest Keith :eek: , I am led to believe that Project Neptune will ultimately make something of this nature more likely. However, HQ is only aware of your qualification when you renew (and your grade has been changed on the HQ copy of your renewal document, processed by you and the Branch membership sec'y).

Part qualification will continue to be a problem, I guess. Others may know better.

Mike

[Ben Panter]

Almost certainly, yes.

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