Dive Leader Rescue Management

[sharkyrjp]

Im about to do the last parts of my Dive Leader one aspect being rescue management but what scenario is my diving officer likely to land on me.
I've been through the book, the powerpoint presentations, and tried to research on the web but cant really find any info apart from seeing somewhere there may be one of 4 likely scenarios (info not to hand at mo) that could be used.

Missing diver at sea - not a problem as i participated in a scenariao last year and made notes on what you need to consider (but on the basis that it will be done at Stoney cove I'll need to adapt my 'checklist').

I'll be ok with - Remove casualty to point of safety, First aid priorities, continuing care, records, Summoning emergency services, evacuating the casualty.

But I dont want to miss anything
Anyone got any advice, tips, likely suggestions for scenarios
Thanks

[Ben Panter]

The idea of the scenario is to introduce a new, interesting situation and check that you can mount an effective, safe response - roll with it and enjoy it!

Remember to keep whatever you do safe (don't make more casualties) and use whatever resources are availiable to you.

I'm sure you'll be fine :)

Ben

[Steve Pearson]

I would suggest you sit down at home with a cup of coffee and think up possible scenarios that may happen. Then put a workable solution in place for each one, looking at the best case with lots of people around to delegate and help, to the worst case, just you on your own.

try that for different scenarios you come up with and you should be able to confidently handle any situation that may arise.

Hope this helps

Steve

[Paul Morris]

Best advice I was given on a Rescue Management SDC:

If you get your feet wet, or your hands dirty you're not managing the rescue.

The idea being, delegate everything possible. Only then can you take a step back to assess, plan, and act.

Not always possible if you're on your own, or one of your rescuers suddenly keels over under the shock & strain, as they often seem to on PRM courses for some reason :p

Just enjoy it, try to keep a cool head, and think before reacting immediately. You mustn't put your rescuers in any additional danger.

I hope someone else can remember, but there is a saying that goes something like rope, swim, throw, something :confused: , tow? The idea being that to recover your casualty, do you really need to put someone else in the water with them?

Can you throw them a rope?
Get a buoyancy aid to them?
Can they swim to safety?
Must you put someone in to tow them back?

General idea is that automatically putting a rescue diver in to tow them back is not the best move if they're panicing and inadvertently drown your rescue diver. Chuck them a buoyancy aid and pull them in!

Hopefully someone will be along quickly to add some clarity to my muddled memory of this useful concept ;)

Paul

[Neil R]

Hi paul

Reach, throw, wade, row, swim and tow

Remember you delegate everything , and never put any of your rescuer's in danger .:)

[Paul Morris]

Reach, throw, wade, row, swim and tow

Thats the one! Thanks Neil.

Can you reach the casualty directly, maybe improvising using Oars or Fins for them to grab hold of to extend your reach?

Throw them a line or buoyancy aid (preferably both!), then pull them to safety.

If they're out of reach, and its too far to throw - can you get someone to wade out to reach them directly, or get within throwing distance?

If not, can you row (or motor) a boat to a position to reach or throw?

Last resort get someone to swim out a buoyancy aid and line for the casualty to take, or the very last resort effect a tow back to shore if the casualty is incapable of cooperating.

[Garry Whyke]

Some good advice already given.

Just take into account that it isn't a test.

Whatever you do, don't be surprised if you get some nudges by your Instructor if you forget something as no ones perfect.

Good luck.

........... Garry

[Ed Howarth]

Sharky.

Make sure that you stand close to the guy with the marshalling sheets (or be that guy) and have a checklist on the back of the clipboard. Good thing to have anyway on a dive, so not really cheating.

Know what skills/training each of your helpers have.

Think what you might do if the guy who you sent off for help doesn't come back or comes back and says the phone isn't working.

Look after the buddy. He/she is almost always bound to fall unconcious just when you think you have everything under control. ;)

If you have enough time to allocate someone to keep the crowds of bystanders back with cries of "Nothing to see here," you may get extra brownie points.

I think the secret is to practice several different scenarios at home, in real time. If you can do perfectly the stuff you *know* you will have to do, the odd bolt out of the blue should not phase you.

Ed

[Neil R]

Quick tip , if your standing just at the end of the session in a group having a chat with the instructor make sure you know where everybody is . ;)

[Tony F]

Anyone got any advice

Offer to buy the DO's breakfast? ;)

PS hello Rich.

[Paul Beal]

We have great fun thinking up new and exciting scenarios for the PRM course or the rescue management part of DL. The key is to assess, plan and act by delgation. Always keep rescuers in buddy pairs, keep the dialogue going and be prepared to reassess and redelegate at short notice. Don't forget to help the casualty's buddy too - you might want to keep an eye on them (hint, hint!).

Paul

Paul

[RLJ]

Hi

When I am creating additional scenarios for my students for the PRM course I get most of my ideas from the BSAC incident report.
Have a look thro' this report on the BSAC web site it will certainly get you thinking!

Cheers
RLJ

[Paul Carrier]

If your looking for a casualty, im the man. Just done a PRM course at Gildy and frightened the hell out of the rescuers. Played the part so well they thought id died.:D

[Edward]

I must have been really nasty in my last life, cos when I run these scenarios I sometimes put one in where it's just a case of recovering a body. I want to see whether the candidate has the courage to say that's it; over to the police divers, or will they carry on and put others into danger.

There is never a wrong solution, just some work better than others.

All the best and if you follow the advice given by others here you should do fine.

Edward

[David Walker]

I must have been really nasty in my last life, cos when I run these scenarios I sometimes put one in where it's just a case of recovering a body. I want to see whether the candidate has the courage to say that's it; over to the police divers, or will they carry on and put others into danger.

Interesting....

*thinks*

Probably wouldn't occur to many people to leave it... including me and i teach it! Hard to say "they're definitely dead and not worth the bother". I suppose if you could really emphasise that they were certainly dead and the conditions were bad enough to put a diver in risk... but then would we be diving there in the first place?

Definitely an interesting one, although don't think i'll try it. :rolleyes:

David

[Nigel Hewitt]

I'd vote for the SDC. You not only get to see lots of scenarios but the debrief on each one adds to your mental database of problems to avoid. The only snag is that you always have a competant team there while in real life you might have trainees and recent divers who you can only use in restricted (fetch, carry, phone) roles.

[Mike Halligan]

I'd vote for the SDC. You not only get to see lots of scenarios but the debrief on each one adds to your mental database of problems to avoid. The only snag is that you always have a competant team there while in real life you might have trainees and recent divers who you can only use in restricted (fetch, carry, phone) roles.

Too right, Nigel.

2 years ago, 3 clubs diving together, Mediterranean holiday conditions, 20+ divers. A casualty member of 1st club is rescued by two AD members of the other 2 clubs under the direction of a non-diving AD member of one of those clubs.

All three clubs seem better than average in running and training, yet your premise was clearly true when push came to shove. It was Germans diving the same beach who provided the O2, called the emergency services and made preparations for landing the casualty, not other members of the clubs involved - they were diving different sites!

The SDC is fantastic and open to development by the Instructors concerned, a joy to run and to participate.

Mike

[MattS]

If your looking for a casualty, im the man. Just done a PRM course at Gildy and frightened the hell out of the rescuers. Played the part so well they thought id died.:DHad somethng similar happen at vobster last year during AD training. I warned the staff we were running exercises before we started. I instructed the buddy to slope off, dekit and collapse quietly unless the rescue manager intervened. She did such a good job the staff dashed over with an O2 set!

[Dave (Simmo)]

Hi Sharky

when your doing your scenario say what your thinking. the assessor won't know what you've considered and dismissed if you don't tell them.

Simmo

[Mik Carr]

Above all else, remember that the module is called Practical Rescue MANAGEMENT. Your job is to manage the scenario. Make sure that you get everyone else running around while you stay put and issue the:cool: orders!