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Divingtheark
26-07-2011, 16:47
Just returned from a week's liveaboard club trip on the M V Karin - in Scapa Flow.

Some pointers which might help identify if this is the right liveaboard for you:
1. Large vessel and very stable. Operated by John Thornton - a very knowledgeable and experienced skipper/diver for the area but not one to molly coddle in any way. He drives the boat - you do the diving. He is very pleasant and not grumpy (as suggested in some forums) but does expect you to get on yourselves. No desire to get involved in "your holiday". I am guessing that he has done this so many times it is routine rather than trying to make every trip special. If you are looking for more personal involvement seek out another skipper.
2. Very safe drop off and pick up - and especially understands the currents and sites. Lift is a great new asset. Large size of boat means less manouverability but balanced by providing additional protection against the current. Inadequate attention to standard safety aspects such as where the o2 is kept or filling in of dive roster (we did our own).
3. Crew did not turn up for first two days. Might be a regular feature/difficulty. New crew very good, helpful and gave full briefings and local knowledge/history.
4. Bunks are full size but comfort level stops there. 2 W/Cs but one shower only. Very hot water - great for showers. No cold water in kitchen or to drink. Not the cleanest anywhere. Very steep ships ladders to decend to rooms.
5. Using the kettle, toaster and microwave all at once blows the fuse. 3 days no power. Food basic.
6. Diving was excellent - though briefings were just that (no detailed explanations). Always tried to make sure we were the only boat at the site.
7. Value - we got what we paid for: basic, no frills, on board accommodation with great diving.
8.Suitable for club divers mucking in together. Not for those with Red Sea liveaboard expectations. Most suited to tekkie divers (not us) as John is a highly quailfied and experienced tekkie (if he will excuse the term) who probably becomes more engaged where the trip is more of an "expedition" to unknown sites/wrecks with mixed gas possibilities than a "holiday" to the standard sites.

This is not intended to be a critical article but just factual information to enable you to check if this liveaboard will suit you.

Roz
27-07-2011, 09:49
V. good points, well presented. I've dived off John's boat a couple of times. He's a definately a Cuprinol Skipper - you get what you see on the tin. I wrote up the MV Karin for Scottish Diver awhile ago now. The following should fill in some gaps... http://www.scotsac.com/html/scottish-diver/2005/SD_0508/0508_scapa.pdf I'd happily dive off the MV Karin anytime.

Ron MacRae
27-07-2011, 11:16
This is not intended to be a critical article but just factual information to enable you to check if this liveaboard will suit you.

I think what you describe would apply to most of the boats out of Scapa and also a lot on the south coast?
I've dived Scapa a few times, but not with John, and that's sort of what I would expect from most skippers. It's hard to fake interest in a wreck you've been to 30+ times a season.

Many skippers, including some of the best, know sod all about diving. As long as they know how to

get you to a wreck on slack, not 30 mins before or after.
get you out again at the end and count heads.
provide tea & buns.
call the coast guard if it goes belly up.

that's all that's required/needed.

The rest is down to the DM.

Ron.

Woz
27-07-2011, 11:30
Be nice if they could shot a wreck and confirm it's in rather than HMS Vicinity.

matthewoutram
28-07-2011, 10:14
Be nice if they could shot a wreck and confirm it's in rather than HMS Vicinity.

I've dived HMS Seabed a few times too.

JT's a good guy, Karin is a good boat and the diving is spectacular at all levels. It's a dive boat for divers not a diving-holiday (they are the ones where the look of the boat and the number ice cubes in ones gin and tonic are more important than the diving).

Cheers
Matt.

Ron MacRae
28-07-2011, 10:33
Be nice if they could shot a wreck and confirm it's in rather than HMS Vicinity.

The good ones can, but to me that's part of getting to the wreck IMO.
HMS Vicinity isn't good enough.
These are the skippers you go back to.

Ron MacRae
28-07-2011, 10:36
It's a dive boat for divers not a diving-holiday (they are the ones where the look of the boat and the number ice cubes in ones gin and tonic are more important than the diving).

Cheers
Matt.

If you're looking for the diving-holiday type then you won't find it in Scapa.
Don't think you'll find it anywhere in the UK?

Ron.

matthewoutram
28-07-2011, 10:41
If you're looking for the diving-holiday type then you won't find it in Scapa.
Don't think you'll find it anywhere in the UK?

Ron.

I don't know of any dive boats in the UK that offer holidays - sun deck, pool, spa, jacuzzi plush cabin, 2:1 staff ratio etc. No - they are all old-fishing boats or ex-navy. Good job really or they would all have sunk by now.

I went to the Red Sea on the Hurricane gin-palace and the diving was rubbish because we had a F4 and the boat was too unstable. Nice GnT though.

Matt.

Ding
30-07-2011, 11:53
Have dived on the Karin a few times and will be back for more. If you want info on the dive you are doing just ask, he has dived them many times. He can put you on any part of the wreck you want to dive....big wrecks up there.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j62/johnnicolson/Scapa_08/CopyofKarin.jpg

Eddie Clamp
03-08-2011, 09:36
Now online at: http://www.bsac.com/diverreports.asp?itemid=10989&itemTitle=Scapa+Flow+on+MV+Karin&section=1248&sectionTitle=UK