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Keith Lawrence
22-01-2006, 13:51
Well, we haven't got any guidelines about personal signatures yet because we've never really needed them. But before people get carried away let's lay down some ground rules of what I personally feel is acceptable :)
The general internet accepted standard is 6 lines max, fine if you want to put a graphic or something in there but try to keep it to around the same space that six lines would take up.
We're seeing more and more people advertising their own web sites or more recently other forums like YD. Fine, if you want to, but I think that's it's reasonable to ask for something in return. If you're putting a link to your club or business in your signature then I think that it's fair that your site has a link back to us. If you're advertising another forum then fine, but on that other forum your signature links back to us.
Sound reasonable? We don't mind external links in sigantures, provided that those links point back to here :) If the Sys Admins on other forums don't like your signature linking back here then then I don't see why we should link to them :rolleyes:
Keith L
Alwassia
22-01-2006, 14:45
Right on..... (Had to ad some dots due to the short message warning)
James - Narked@50
22-01-2006, 14:46
I think you are overstepping the mark here Keith.
You are now literally telling us what YOU deem acceptable, and this to me, is NOT acceptable for an open forum on a subject like signatures, which are personal to the individual. If they are not offencive or rude, why are you spitting your dummy out?
You do a lot of work for this site and we all owe you our thanks for it, but I feel you are becoming dictorial and hard line in your administration of the site.
So far you you have deleted my posts prior to my consent.
Forced me to change my registration name.
And now you want my signature changed to?
This is supposed to be a forum for truth, views and opinions. It is supposed to encourage open discussion, not gag it.
I have been a member of other forums for years with never a conflict with admin apart from you, I usually support admin any way I can, but you are not considering the members, you are just telling them YOUR expectations and expecting them to follow like sheep. You remind me of the branch DO that is full of self importance and wants everything done his way - well I'm not doing it.
If you want to ban me for speaking out then that's fine, I kind of expect it from you.
James
Keith Lawrence
22-01-2006, 15:27
I think you are overstepping the mark here Keith.What - by asking what people think rather than just doing it with no comeback whatsoever? Despite the likes of you slagging me off generally the FACT of the matter is that there is far less moderation on our forums than anywhere else I know, the only difference being we are open and honest about it and say why it is done.
If you want to ban me for speaking out then that's fine, I kind of expect it from you. JamesYou know where the door is...
Keith L
I don't really care as I only have one link in my signature and that is to a charity so that doesn't count and I haven't noticed anyone with lots of links.
As for linking to other dive forums I don't see the point of that either as we all know where they are, it isn't as though the main ones aren't popular.
What I have noticed as a being a bit over the top is user names, I have always used my own forename as my username but I know lots who don't, but we still know who they are. James has always been known to me a Narked@50 (Narked@50), Paul has always been Odin, so what is the reasoning behind having to have their forename in their username.
Louby Lou
22-01-2006, 16:07
Sounds fair enough to me :) Link back added :)
On Rebreatherworld we ask in our TOS that signatures are limited to 4 lines. It seems to work for us over there, no one has complained so far. Also we ask that if you are 'advertising' your company in your signature that the company url is displayed, there are no extra privileges for advertisers.
Some people link into RBW from other forums, but when they do a link back is not necessary, but more often than not occurs; but it is out of politeness and good manners, to return the favour. :)
James - Narked@50
22-01-2006, 16:22
let's lay down some ground rules of what I personally feel is acceptable.
Asking???
It certainly does not come across that way.
the likes of you slagging me off generally.
I have merely highlighted, truthfully (as you point out is the basis of the forum), actions you have already taken, but obviously did not like to see go public.
You know where the door is...
It's nice to see you take criticism so well, this is where my reference to a bad tempered DO comes from, it's "do it my way or sod off!" - but you don't realise that's how it reads, or do you?
I did not reply to this to wind you up, but more to give you a poke in the ribs and try to get you to realise that what you think you are saying, is often perceived by others as telling. You are an admin, and should set a higher standard than the rest of us who will, undoubtedly, mess up from time to time, that's only human, and I think what you have done here.
We all have opinions Keith, I may not agree with yours on certain subjects, but I will consider them. I do not expect you to agree with what I have said, but all I am asking for is that you consider your position and what you are perceived to be saying/telling.
James
Keith Lawrence
22-01-2006, 16:28
What I have noticed as a being a bit over the top is user names, I have always used my own forename as my username but I know lots who don't, but we still know who they are. James has always been known to me a Narked @ 50, Paul has always been Odin, so what is the reasoning behind having to have their forename in their username.Different subject :) That's because our target audience is the general BSAC member, not just the existing internet forum users. Forums have a feel, if you come across one full of weird internet handles you are immediately an outsider, we insist on the "friendly face" because we do not want that happening here.
Simple question : how do you expect to address your mates around the club bar? By their first name or by an internet handle? That's what we're trying to create here Fiona, a "club bar" atmosphere.
HTH
Keith L
If you're putting a link to your club or business in your signature then I think that it's fair that your site has a link back to us.
Remember of course that most people on here won't be able to change their branch websites. I can't.
If you're advertising another forum then fine, but on that other forum your signature links back to us.This is easy to do, and I can't see the problem with this.
IMHO, your first post came across as a "this is what we expect of people who use this board." It didn't come across as asking for people's opinion. But that's the beauty of t'interweb - nothing is ever interpreted how the author means it to be :)
Personally, I don't think excessive signatures are a problem. No-one seems to be taking the mic, so why mend it if it ain't broken?
Janos
Simple question : how do you expect to address your mates around the club bar? By their first name or by an internet handle? That's what we're trying to create here Fiona, a "club bar" atmosphere.
Some by their internet handle, some by their name. It depends if I met them first on t'internet before they joined the club or not.
Janos
Simple question : how do you expect to address your mates around the club bar?
Actually most have knicknames, which kinda messes up the argument.
T.
Keith Lawrence
22-01-2006, 16:35
Personally, I don't think excessive signatures are a problem. No-one seems to be taking the mic, so why mend it if it ain't broken?Fair comment about the club web site, I was more refering to the case of where the user does have control over the site, if they don't - no sweat.
We'd rather it didn't break in the first place :) It's much easier to stop it getting out-of-hand than it is to try and fix it when it is broken.
K
Keith Lawrence
22-01-2006, 16:39
Actually most have knicknames, which kinda messes up the argument.No :) We've had one or two who when we asked them they explained it was their common known-as nickname down the club. Fine, no problem at all, no change needed then. We're very flexible.
Keith L
This is supposed to be about signatures :rolleyes:
This is supposed to be about signatures :rolleyes:
Nothing new about a change of direction :D
Simple question : how do you expect to address your mates around the club bar
That depends very much on the social norms of the group in question.
Some while back, I went to a mate's funeral. Now I'd known this bloke for more years that I care to remember. Two days before the funeral, I found out his name was Mike.
Vic.
Well, we haven't got any guidelines about personal signatures yet because we've never really needed them. But before people get carried away let's lay down some ground rules of what I personally feel is acceptable :)
The general internet accepted standard is 6 lines max, fine if you want to put a graphic or something in there but try to keep it to around the same space that six lines would take up.
We're seeing more and more people advertising their own web sites or more recently other forums like YD. Fine, if you want to, but I think that's it's reasonable to ask for something in return. If you're putting a link to your club or business in your signature then I think that it's fair that your site has a link back to us. If you're advertising another forum then fine, but on that other forum your signature links back to us.
Sound reasonable? We don't mind external links in sigantures, provided that those links point back to here :) If the Sys Admins on other forums don't like your signature linking back here then then I don't see why we should link to them :rolleyes:
Keith LDoes this mean that you are going to put a link to YD on your BSAC sig as you have a link to BSAC on your YD sig?
Oooooooooooooooooo I am awful.
Keith Lawrence
22-01-2006, 20:27
Does this mean that you are going to put a link to YD on your BSAC sig as you have a link to BSAC on your YD sig?
Oooooooooooooooooo I am awful.Do you think it reasonable that I do? :D
K
James - Narked@50
22-01-2006, 21:01
Do you think it reasonable that I do? :D
K
That depends - are you a reasonable man?
This thread actualy originated from YD, or so it would appear?
Jay, one of the admins on YD, asked if people would mind adding a link to their signatures in other forums - a polite request I may add.
I, and several others, chose to do so. Keith, on the other hand, posted a reply - which can be read there if you are that interested. :confused:
If a similar request had been posted here by Keith, I would have done the same as I did on YD, I would have added a link. It's not all about what you do, some of it I agree with, it's the way it's done.
James
Keith Lawrence
22-01-2006, 23:46
That depends - are you a reasonable man?The question is James - are you?
This thread actualy originated from YD, or so it would appear? Jay, one of the admins on YD, asked if people would mind adding a link to their signatures in other forums - a polite request I may add.I, and several others, chose to do so. Keith, on the other hand, posted a reply - which can be read there if you are that interested. :confused: So it did! As you don't seem prepared to do so let me post the link - http://www.yorkshire-divers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=31105, I will also refer you to the actual exchange between me and Jay -
KL : As an Admin I will only object if I don't see a link in their YD sigs going back the other way http://www.yorkshire-divers.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif
Jay : Sounds fair to me Keith http://www.yorkshire-divers.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif
So it would seem James that everybody is in general agreement, even the Sys Admins of the relevant forums, everybody except you that is :(
You launched into a vicious and personal attack on me that was totally unwarrented, inaccurate and uncalled for, if that had been against any user other than me it would have been moderated and some private words would have been had. But you seem to think that it's all OK, only your opinion and "rights" count.
Pack it in James, your conduct on this matter has no place on these forums. I say again, if you don't like it you know where the door is.
Keith L
James - Narked@50
23-01-2006, 00:11
The question is James - are you?
So it did! As you don't seem prepared to do so let me post the link - http://www.yorkshire-divers.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=31105, I will also refer you to the actual exchange between me and Jay -
So it would seem James that everybody is in general agreement, even the Sys Admins of the relevant forums, everybody except you that is :(
You launched into a vicious and personal attack on me that was totally unwarrented, inaccurate and uncalled for, if that had been against any user other than me it would have been moderated and some private words would have been had. But you seem to think that it's all OK, only your opinion and "rights" count.
Pack it in James, your conduct on this matter has no place on these forums. I say again, if you don't like it you know where the door is.
Keith L
At this point I will bow out gracefully. :rolleyes:
I see nothing to be gained by the continuation of this thread, it's sad to see an admin reduced to remarks like this, and I have no axe to grind. I don't feel I have personaly attacked you, I've never even met you, I just don't agree with you, so I don't see where the "vicious and personal remarks" come from?
If you think I have victimised you, then I apologise, it was never meant that way, and still isn't.
So dive safe Keith, we will just have to disagree on this one.
James
Keith Lawrence
23-01-2006, 09:10
If you think I have victimised you, then I apologise, it was never meant that way, and still isn't. So dive safe Keith, we will just have to disagree on this one.Apology accepted of course James! I was simply trying to open the discussion on this issue, nothing more.
But I'm probably going to insist on yet another minor change to your ID, if you want to see what the problem is now just try replying to one of your own posts by quoting it :)
Cheers
Keith L
James - Narked@50
24-01-2006, 02:21
At this point I will bow out gracefully. :rolleyes:
I see nothing to be gained by the continuation of this thread, it's sad to see an admin reduced to remarks like this, and I have no axe to grind. I don't feel I have personaly attacked you, I've never even met you, I just don't agree with you, so I don't see where the "vicious and personal remarks" come from?
If you think I have victimised you, then I apologise, it was never meant that way, and still isn't.
So dive safe Keith, we will just have to disagree on this one.
James
Just trying what you suggested Keith?
James
James - Narked@50
24-01-2006, 02:24
Just trying what you suggested Keith?
James
Not sure what the issue is Keith?
Please PM me and take it off line so we can resolve it.
Thanks
James
Keith Lawrence
24-01-2006, 08:04
Just trying what you suggested Keith?
The first quote is OK, the problems come when you split it...
James If you copy 'n paste the 'like thisK
James - Narked@50
25-01-2006, 01:29
The first quote is OK, the problems come when you split it...
If you copy 'n paste the '[quote=' bit the damn thing treats it like an email hyperlink :) The solution would seem to be add one space K
Or put it back to just plain old Narked@50 ?:eek: LOL
James
Keith Lawrence
25-01-2006, 01:38
Or put it back to just plain old Narked@50 ?:eek: LOLQ.E.D :D
K
[quote=Keith Lawrence]The first quote is OK, the problems come when you split it...
If you copy 'n paste the '
Or put it back to just plain old Odin (Narked@50) ?:eek: LOL
I tried that one too!
Given that viewing signatures can be disabled ( along with other annoying clutter I have disabled such as avatars and images and adverts ) I don't see why there is an issue with the contents of them ( within obvious reason )
Dave
Paul Renucci
01-02-2006, 13:23
I thought I was the only one that manages to find a muddy seabed :D
See "European UnderWater Federation Cert?" for my views on anything to do with Greek law and I'm sorry if I upset anyone over there - I do love the Greek people.
Signature guidelines - Keith is only asking for politness - what's so hard about settng up return links to the BSAC forum when we are placing links on BSAC?
I have just added a link on my site offering direct access to the BSACforum.co.uk address. :) it's a pleasure - besides which those prospective, wannabe divers are going to want to find out more than my little website can provide. I have all the local BSAC branches, and HQ url's added on strategic pages.
I have alway's said that WE divers are a think skinned bunch of buddies / buddy'esses - is that a new term? so may I suggest that we simply take each others comments with a touch of salt. :p
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