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Keith Lawrence(BSAC)
22-10-2004, 22:44
Applications will soon be sought for these coveted(?) positions. The applications process will be announced shortly by the Honorary Secretary of the BSAC and during early 2005 a panel consisting of the entire membership of the BSAC will select the successful candidates. Successful candidates will be expected to work for zero pay and expenses that cannot even begin to reflect the value of the expertise that they bring to the club. They should also expect to receive no acknowledgement from the general membership for what they have done, you?re only shouted at when things don?t go quite right.

Successful candidates are likely to have more than one of the following skills ?

+ They must be very thick skinned : Some members are likely to attempt verbal dismemberment over very minor matters.

+ They should be telepathic : A Council member is expect to know exactly what all members are thinking at all times.

+ They should be clairvoyant : A Council member should be able to predict the future with absolute certainty so that decisions that they make can be explained under all circumstances.

+ They should have a sense of humour : there are times when if you can?t laugh about it you will end up crying.

The job description is vague, in fact there isn?t really one but any skills that you can bring to the BSAC will be fully utilised. Ideally you should have a basic understanding of business and finance as you will be a Director of a ?2m+ company and you will be expected to help manage it. You must be diplomatic amongst the membership as the vast majority will not have a clue who you are, what you do, how you do it, why it is needed or why on earth you should want to do it!

The real rewards however are very satisfying personally. You will be working with a great team of people, your fellow Council members, some of whom will be just as confused as you are wondering what the hell they have let themselves in for. You will be welcomed with open arms and with great friendliness. You will also find yourself working with our superb HQ staff whose dedication and commitment to the BSAC goes far beyond their status as employees. You will also come across many dedicated volunteers across the world who help to run the club, they will also help you and hopefully you can help them.

When your term of office is complete and you retire gracefully and/or run screaming to the hills you will be able to look back and say to yourself ?I helped to do that, that made a real difference to the club?. But by then you will fully accept the fact that virtually nobody has noticed what you have done, how you did it or why indeed it was necessary for the club to function. But it will be accepted as being ?part of the BSAC? and your reward is knowing that you helped to make it happen and that you have improved the club.

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Yes, very ?tongue in cheek? I know, but I maintain that it?s a pretty accurate description of what it?s like and of my experiences over the years that I?ve been doing it :-) The ?Situations Vacant? part is of course real, next year will be the major Council elections and once again it is your chance to make a very positive contribution to the club. Could you do it? What?s it REALLY like? Well the whole point of this post and this thread is to help you find out. First of all let me dispel a few myths ?

+ You do =NOT= have to be a 30+ year NI with ?BSAC? written through the middle if you cut them in half. There are some NI?s on Council and their experience and knowledge is very important, but there are also Sports Divers and Dive Leaders (me for example!) who do not have those years of BSAC experience but they do have skills that can help the club. If you can help run the club then you will be VERY welcome and your ?BSAC experience? becomes virtually immaterial.

+ It is =NOT= political. We have far too much to do and far too little time to bother with that type of rubbish! BSAC Council is the least ?political? entity of it?s type that I have ever encountered. The attitude is ?it needs doing, do it!? and all of these myths about major political infighting amongst Council are just that ? MYTHS! (OK, we do have our disagreements at times, but that?s life! Sort it out and then get on with it).

+ It = DOES= take time. If you apply you will get a little sheet detailing how much time it is expected to take (I?m sure it?s on the web site somewhere, if not I?ll post it). Well? errrr? to do this job properly you will need a bit more than that! But it?s flexible, you?re a volunteer and the club has to fit around you. In practice it comes in fits and starts ? you?ll have a few weeks off, and then every evening you?ll spend a couple of hours sorting out BSAC stuff. But you?re part of a team, if you?re having problems due to your real life and job then we help each other out.

Having got that out of the way here?s an invitation to all of our members, especially those who may be considering volunteering to help the club as Council members ? ASK US! There?s quite a few Council members who lurk around these forums (OK, they don?t always say much, but they ARE listening I assure you). If you?ve got a question about Council work then fire away. I?ll try and answer any questions that you may have, I am sure that some of my fellow Council members (or ex ones) wouldn?t mind helping out as well (I hope).

It?s Council elections next year, we NEED people just like you who can help the club, if you want the low down on what it?s like ?on the inside? then now is your chance.

Regards

Keith L

p.s. Will I be standing again? I honestly don?t know, that is one question that I can?t answer for you just now. I?ll let you know when the nominations are published!

amicky
22-10-2004, 23:09
Applications will soon be sought for these converted (?) positions.

"Converted" from what Keith??? :-)

Keith Lawrence(BSAC)
22-10-2004, 23:28
:=Applications will soon be sought for these converted (?) positions.

"Converted" from what Keith??? :-)

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Such soft wear for pea seas!.

(Poet of Poet Tree knot known)


Sorry about that - blame the computer :-)

K

alison boler
24-10-2004, 21:36
Keith
Love it!! However, what was that saying about a good workman never blaming his tools or was that just microsoft

Allie

Keith Lawrence(BSAC)
24-10-2004, 22:29
Love it!! However, what was that saying about a good workman never blaming his tools...

I think you will find that "get out" clause somewhere in my job description ;-)

K

Martin
25-10-2004, 21:02
Keith,

What is involved in being nominated/elected to council?

Also, how is it that those on the various subgroups/committees or, say the NDC get involved in those groups?




:=Love it!! However, what was that saying about a good workman never blaming his tools...

I think you will find that "get out" clause somewhere in my job description ;-)

K

Nigel Hewitt
25-10-2004, 21:19
Also, how is it that those on the various subgroups/committees or, say the NDC get involved in those groups?

I suspect that the rest of the elected members view this as Keith's Albatross. We are a very vocal group but a tiny minority in the whole membership. Remember that in council elections 'abstain' always wins by a country mile so clearly caring about how things are run makes us non-typical.

nigelH

Mike Halligan
25-10-2004, 22:47
Also, how is it that those on the various subgroups/committees or, say the NDC get involved in those groups?

I cannot speak for anyone else at all.

I showed interest in helping out, where I am able, a few years ago. I was asked to undertake a couple of closely defined tasks, then invited to offer an opinion, then that grew into a role and that is itself, in answer to need, "renegotiated" fairly frequently. The fact is, of course, that we are all volunteers. We can simply walk away. So we need to agree each time whether the task is appropriate and can be coped with.

I have a job description but tend to respond to cries of "Is this something you can handle?", which ties in rather neatly with Keith's description of Council. It seems best to recognise that things develop and people should too, IMHO.

I must echo Keith's sentiment. Everyone at HQ and all others I have come across associated with NDC, regions and branches are a great bunch. It is both a pleasure and a privilege to work with such a committed and diligent team.

Mike,
AD/OWI & TO,
once Disability Co-ordinator,
once Disability Advisor,
current Accessibility Officer
& sort of unwittingly assimilated into NDC diving group.

[change the name, the game's the same] ;-)

Keith Lawrence(BSAC)
25-10-2004, 23:00
Martin asked -

What is involved in being nominated/elected to council?

Mike (Hon Sec) will announce the formal start of the process. What happens is that you request an application form from HQ, we?ll send you back the form and a small sheet giving a bit of background. You have to complete the form, send it back, HQ will confirm it and add you to the list of candidates. Your nomination (and that bit of text and a photo that you supply) will be printed on the sheet that every member gets.

You?ve then got to get elected! That bit is down to you :-) If we do the same as previously (I don?t see why not) you will also be invited to LIDS, there you can meet some existing Council members, Phil normally gives a chat about responsibilities etc.

The fun really starts if you do get elected ? you will receive a Parcel Force delivery (I?m talking a small SACK here!) with all kinds of info, previous minutes, background, finances, contracts ? all kinds of stuff to get you up-to-speed for your first Council meeting the day after the AGM.

Also, how is it that those on the various subgroups/committees or, say the NDC get involved in those groups?

Ah! Teams? that?s something that we don?t publicise enough in all honesty, that?s a shame because it is in the teams that the real work is done. But a fix is in hand for that communication failing ? look out in BSAC Talk in the comings months. Right, teams? here?s a list of just a few of our teams ?

External Relations, Communications, Finance, Membership Services, IT, Commercial, NDC?

Each one is headed by a Council member directly responsible to Council. Who is on each team depends mainly upon the team leader. In the case of my IT Team it tends to be by recommendation or invitation, personally I always ask my team before appointing somebody new. Here I can only speak for my team but on the IT Team I have ordinary members, Council members and HQ staff. If you have a specialist skill, a particular interest, then I?m sure that we can use you somewhere!

As a Council member you will be invited to join normally two teams that correspond to your interests and skills, I?m slightly unusual in that I?m a member of three ? IT, Comms and Membership Services. As I?ve said, the real work is done in the teams. Council meetings tend to be VERY intensive with half hour slots for things, an hour if it needs special consideration. So what actually happens is that at Council level the discussion is limited to high level proposals, if approved then the teams go away and do it!

The main thing is DON?T be frightened off by the thought of it, if you have the skills, the time and the desire to help then you probably can! It?s a few years now since I was a newbie and we?ve improved our procedures since then, but the main thing that struck me back then was just how friendly and helpful people were, everybody will help you in the strange new world that you find yourself in :-)

That?s my real message really Martin, DON?T be put off. The entire Council are volunteers, ordinary divers from ordinary clubs just like you and me, we act as a kind of ?club? (note : I said club ? NOT clique!) and help each other out. We all have the same aim, we want to make the club better, we want to improve things. It is by working together that we can achieve that.

HTH, feel free to ask anything that you like about Council work.

Keith L

Keith Lawrence(BSAC)
27-10-2004, 17:12
I showed interest in helping out, where I am able, a few years ago. I was asked to undertake a couple of closely defined tasks, then invited to offer an opinion, then that grew into a role and that is itself, in answer to need, "renegotiated" fairly frequently...

I see that you?ve experienced it for real there Mike ? I also see that now you?ve got an official mention in the November BSAC Talk :-) And why is it I keep thinking back to my Sports Diver training and that diagram of The Incident Pit... ;-)

But that?s the way that it works, we need people like Mike to help us to run the club and such contributions are VERY welcome.

Keith L

Mike Halligan
27-10-2004, 18:14
I see that you?ve experienced it for real there Mike ? I also see that now you?ve got an official mention in the November BSAC Talk :-) And why is it I keep thinking back to my Sports Diver training and that diagram of The Incident Pit... ;-)

Because, like all instructors, we both forgot we were given 2 ears and 1 mouth to be used in STRICT proportion, perhaps?

Heyho.....

In reality, folks, there is much to be done and the BSAC truly is a very supportive organisation.

Nigel Hewitt
27-10-2004, 22:31
And why is it I keep thinking back to my Sports Diver training and that diagram of The Incident Pit... ;-)

Because they always had FATALITY and DEATH at the bottom and last time you gave me a job you nearly worked me to death.

HTH
nigelH

Tom Brookes
27-12-2004, 19:17
Hello Keith,

What positions are coming availible?.

Also as a bit of a side issue what are the current membership numbers?

Best Wishes

Tom Brookes

Edward Haynes
28-12-2004, 11:31
Tom

All Council positions are up for grabs this time round.

Chair
Vice-Chair
Secretary
Tresurer
NDO

and 9 other Council Members. (might not have the number right as the AofA allow for anything between 9 and 13 inclusive.)

For the full info please contact Mary Tetley (Operations Manager) at HQ 0151 350 6200 or <a href="mailto:maryt@bsac.com">maryt@bsac.com</a>

Edward Haynes


Hello Keith,

What positions are coming availible?.

Also as a bit of a side issue what are the current membership numbers?

Best Wishes

Tom Brookes

Mike Rowley
28-12-2004, 13:08
Keith,

What is involved in being nominated/elected to council?

Also, how is it that those on the various subgroups/committees or, say the NDC get involved in those groups?


To understand this you first have to understand the difference between Council and NDC (National Diving Committee).
Council is the elected body that is the policy making governing body of the BSAC. A bit like the Board of Directors in a public company. Council comprises of Council members and Officers who are elected by the membership at an AGM. The Officers include such pivotal positions as Chairman, Vice Chairman, Hon. Secretary, Hon. Treasurer and the position most people would see as essential in a diving club National Diving Officer. In fact very similar to that structure found in most branches.

Most of the Officers appoint appropriate people to advise and support them in their tasks simply because the detail, depth and breadth of these tasks are usually far too much for one person to cope with. These people are appointed for a variety of reasons, expertise, experience in a particular area and most important enthusiasm.

The National Diving Officer appoints such a group of people to advise and carry out the detail work within the overall guidence of policy as laid down by the NDO and Council. These people form the NDC (National Diving Committee). These people are currently formed into groups to specialise in various areas of the NDOs responsibilities (See NDC on the website). Each group has a Group Leader and the Group Leaders form the senior advisors to the NDO under the title of Steering Group.

In summary, Council is the elected policy making body of the BSAC. NDC is a body appointed by the NDO and is functional to the NDOs role as a Council Officer.

Hope this clarifies things.

Happy new year,

Mike

Keith Lawrence(BSAC)
28-12-2004, 13:42
Hello Keith,

What positions are coming availible?.

Also as a bit of a side issue what are the current membership numbers?

To my shame I can't actually tell you the numbers for election! But the entire Council is standing down (as we have to) so every position is up for grabs. As a point of interest it shouldn't happen like this again. The constitutional amendments that were passed at the last AGM mean that we can hold elections when we need them, so hopefully we'll get to the stage where roughly a third of Council are elected every year.

The latest membership numbers that I have for December 2004 show roughly 38,500 members. Beware quoting exact numbers for current members, the reason for that is renewals (especially around xmas) can be delayed so the figure is always an educated estimate. You'll have to wait three or four months before I can give you an exact figure for today.

HTH

Keith L

Tom Brookes
28-12-2004, 16:07
Gosh,

Im quite shocked at around 38k.

The last time I remember asking I thought there was around 50k.

Is that figure just branches or is it direct members as well.

Keith Lawrence(BSAC)
28-12-2004, 19:23
Im quite shocked at around 38k.
The last time I remember asking I thought there was around 50k.
Is that figure just branches or is it direct members as well.

That's the current figures, all of them. Down a bit on last year but our retention rate is improving and the rate of decline is certainly slowing according to the figures that we have. The reasons for it are many and complex, mainly society based, the figures are better than some member based clubs have faired. That's part of the challenge that faces Council - how to manage the club within the maturing and evolving framework for diving worldwide.

That 50K figure was always a bit suspect IMHO although I know how a genuine mistake could have been made. According to my figures the years 1996 to 1999 saw us fairly steady at around 48K and the decline has been since then. Direct members currently account for just under 15% of all members, that figure is rising as well BTW.

HTH

Keith L