Marshalling requirements for Advanced Diver Qualification

[Darren Woodward]

I'm working towards gaining my AD qualification, and all I currently have left to complete are the four dive marshall assesments (2 shore & 2 Boat).

Could someone explain exactly what needs to be done to complete each assesment. My DO is very reluctant to sign up any of my past experience for these assesments, but is very vague when pushed as to exactly what is required. Would logging branch divers in and out of the water at Stoney Cove and maintaining the shore cover count as assistant marshall for a shore dive? and what extra would be needed to sign up the acting marshall for a shore dive other than being more involved in the selection of buddy pairs and dive plans?

Thanks

Darren

[Steve Walker]

I'm working towards gaining my AD qualification, and all I currently have left to complete are the four dive marshall assesments (2 shore & 2 Boat).

Could someone explain exactly what needs to be done to complete each assesment. My DO is very reluctant to sign up any of my past experience for these assesments, but is very vague when pushed as to exactly what is required. Would logging branch divers in and out of the water at Stoney Cove and maintaining the shore cover count as assistant marshall for a shore dive? and what extra would be needed to sign up the acting marshall for a shore dive other than being more involved in the selection of buddy pairs and dive plans?

Thanks

Darren

I'm not sure there are any specific hard and fast rules other the the obvious SDP's which I woulkd expect you're already familiar with.

Perhaps signing up past experience seems like a "cop out" to your DO? ie you're getting something out of it but the branch isn't benefitting with extra diving laid on.

Why not offer to arrange the required four days of diving; IIRC (i)asst marshal and (ii)main marshal for (1) shore diving and (2) Boat diving. If your DO objects to such a beneficial offer then you've every right to strongly object.
HTH

[nick kay]

I'd add on the fact that you can't act effectively as a DM if you're one of the people diving, i.e. its not just about picking the diver pairs and recording in/out times etc.

[Dave]

Perhaps signing up past experience seems like a "cop out" to your DO? ie you're getting something out of it but the branch isn't benefitting with extra diving laid on.


I cannot see that as a vaguely valid reason for refusing to sign a person up. Either the person has met the requirements for getting it signed, or he hasn't

The requirements for the 4 sign offs are detailed on page AD75 and AD76. I don't want to type it all out (toooo lazy) but if you want to drop me an email with a phone # , I'll run through it.

Dave

[Lindsey Doyle]

Would logging branch divers in and out of the water at Stoney Cove and maintaining the shore cover count as assistant marshall for a shore dive?

I can't see that an inland site is relevant....too "easy" in that no tides, currents, weather, access, egress etc to be concerned about.....it'd do for the new SD assistant DM stuff (which IS just helping with logs,ie low level), but not for Advanced level, IMO.
It is the "old" AD you're doing, I take it?

and what extra would be needed to sign up the acting marshall for a shore dive other than being more involved in the selection of buddy pairs and dive plans?

Check your notes from DPM SDC.....all the above mentioned and more!!!O2 kits, next of kin details, spring to mind immediately....Rather than "being more involved", an acting DM actually DOES it all, supervised by qualified DM.
HTH.

[vice-chairman]

Would logging branch divers in and out of the water at Stoney Cove and maintaining the shore cover count as assistant marshall for a shore dive?

I can't see that an inland site is relevant....too "easy" in that no tides, currents, weather, access, egress etc to be concerned about.....it'd do for the new SD assistant DM stuff (which IS just helping with logs,ie low level), but not for Advanced level, IMO.
It is the "old" AD you're doing, I take it?

and what extra would be needed to sign up the acting marshall for a shore dive other than being more involved in the selection of buddy pairs and dive plans?

Check your notes from DPM SDC.....all the above mentioned and more!!!O2 kits, next of kin details, spring to mind immediately....Rather than "being more involved", an acting DM actually DOES it all, supervised by qualified DM.
HTH.

Hi Chaps,

Are you talking of the new diver-training scheme or the old one? If you?re looking at the new diver-training scheme all the details for Dive Planning and Marshalling are on pages 431 ? 434 of the Instructor Manual and basically requires the would-be advanced diver to plan and execute a minimum 2-day diving trip to a site unfamiliar to all the participants of the dive trip. This would include all pre-planning, organisation, accommodation, site location, determining site conditions, etc, etc. It?s not as simple of logging a couple of divers in and out of Stoney Cove.

Cheers???..Allan

[TerryH]

Hi Chaps,

Are you talking of the new diver-training scheme or the old one? If you?re looking at the new diver-training scheme all the details for Dive Planning and Marshalling are on pages 431 ? 434 of the Instructor Manual and basically requires the would-be advanced diver to plan and execute a minimum 2-day diving trip to a site unfamiliar to all the participants of the dive trip. This would include all pre-planning, organisation, accommodation, site location, determining site conditions, etc, etc. It?s not as simple of logging a couple of divers in and out of Stoney Cove.

Cheers???..Allan


Hey Allan,

Remember that election post you did on here, when you said that
you were going to use the net, keep chatting and tell us what's
going on in BSAC?

So how many posts since then?
I count one, yep this one.

TerryH

[vice-chairman]

:=
:=Hi Chaps,
:=
:=Are you talking of the new diver-training scheme or the old one? If you?re looking at the new diver-training scheme all the details for Dive Planning and Marshalling are on pages 431 ? 434 of the Instructor Manual and basically requires the would-be advanced diver to plan and execute a minimum 2-day diving trip to a site unfamiliar to all the participants of the dive trip. This would include all pre-planning, organisation, accommodation, site location, determining site conditions, etc, etc. It?s not as simple of logging a couple of divers in and out of Stoney Cove.
:=
:=Cheers???..Allan


Hey Allan,

Remember that election post you did on here, when you said that
you were going to use the net, keep chatting and tell us what's
going on in BSAC?

So how many posts since then?
I count one, yep this one.

TerryH

Hi Terry,

Unlike some I only speak when I have something worth saying :-)

Anything in particular you'd like me to tell you about?

Cheers..........Allan

[vice-chairman]

:=
:=Hi Chaps,
:=
:=Are you talking of the new diver-training scheme or the old one? If you?re looking at the new diver-training scheme all the details for Dive Planning and Marshalling are on pages 431 ? 434 of the Instructor Manual and basically requires the would-be advanced diver to plan and execute a minimum 2-day diving trip to a site unfamiliar to all the participants of the dive trip. This would include all pre-planning, organisation, accommodation, site location, determining site conditions, etc, etc. It?s not as simple of logging a couple of divers in and out of Stoney Cove.
:=
:=Cheers???..Allan


Hey Allan,

Remember that election post you did on here, when you said that
you were going to use the net, keep chatting and tell us what's
going on in BSAC?

So how many posts since then?
I count one, yep this one.

TerryH

Hi Terry,

Wrong as usual, I placed a posting early June on wreck information on the general forum plus several others over the last few months.
And I thought you were always right :-)

Best.......Allan

[TerryH]

Wrong as usual, I placed a posting early June on wreck information on the general forum plus several others over the last few months.
And I thought you were always right :-)

Best.......Allan

Can you count the number of posts on one hand Allan?
For the supposed largest dive club in the world we seem to be
woefully inadequate in talking to members.

After all in this electronic age, it's not exactly difficult
is it?

I was under the impression that you were the vice-chair and
along with Phil Harrison, would have thought that we merited
a bit more comment.

Let's apply the BSAC method to newspapers, magazines etc.
Do we open the page every day, week, fortnight, month, quarter
and find blank pages? Of course not.

So why cant we have 500 words from yourself, Phil, NDO etc,
etc. every quarter. Doesnt have to be on paper like PADI, but
could easily be on the web or added to a couple of pages in
Dive.

Get somebody (how about the press officer/PA) to collate it.
Just maybe a bit of all that effort in celibrating the last 50
years should go on promoting the next 50.

TerryH

[vice-chairman]

:=
:=Wrong as usual, I placed a posting early June on wreck information on the general forum plus several others over the last few months.
:=And I thought you were always right :-)
:=
:=Best.......Allan

Can you count the number of posts on one hand Allan?
For the supposed largest dive club in the world we seem to be
woefully inadequate in talking to members.

After all in this electronic age, it's not exactly difficult
is it?

I was under the impression that you were the vice-chair and
along with Phil Harrison, would have thought that we merited
a bit more comment.

Let's apply the BSAC method to newspapers, magazines etc.
Do we open the page every day, week, fortnight, month, quarter
and find blank pages? Of course not.

So why cant we have 500 words from yourself, Phil, NDO etc,
etc. every quarter. Doesnt have to be on paper like PADI, but
could easily be on the web or added to a couple of pages in
Dive.

Get somebody (how about the press officer/PA) to collate it.
Just maybe a bit of all that effort in celibrating the last 50
years should go on promoting the next 50.

TerryH

Hi Terry,

Unless you've got 8 fingures on one hand you can't!

I've covered postings on Dive Magazine, Harmonisation of codes of practice, advanced diver programme and student branches to name but a few. You get coverage in Dive magazine and BSAC Talk.

If you want an aditional up-date of 500 words every 3-months then fine but just what do you want in addition to Dive magazine and BSAC Talk.

Admit it Terry, for once you got it wrong, you said I had only made 1 posting when I've made at least 8 and I would even go as far as saying 8 important postings. Go on Terry, admit it for once and you'll have my respect for a considerable time to come.

Cheers.......Allan

[Steve Walker]

Hey Terry, if you ever undergo past-life hypnotic regression, don't be surprised if it turns out you were a Rottweiler last time around :)))
Cheers
Steve

[TerryH]

:=
Hi Terry,

Unless you've got 8 fingures on one hand you can't!

I've covered postings on Dive Magazine, Harmonisation of codes of practice, advanced diver programme and student branches to name but a few. You get coverage in Dive magazine and BSAC Talk.

You need to look at the counter again Allan. You have made 14
posts since April 2002. Four of them have been in the last two
days. So yes I am wrong, should have been two hands.

If you want an aditional up-date of 500 words every 3-months then fine but just what do you want in addition to Dive magazine and BSAC Talk.

Well how about regular updates of whats going on. I was under
the impression we are a club, but it seems we have a disjointed
and scattergun approach to informing the membership. With so
many clubs and diving going on, you would have thought that
BSAC stuff would merit more than one, maybe two pages at most
in Dive. That is monthly after all.

BSAC Talk!!!!!! Come on, my niece does a better job than that
for her school magazine! In depth articles? Yeah right.

If you want ideas to what I (and I believe many others would
like), you dont have to go much further than PADI's quarterly
updates.

Its'a co-ordinated effort with corrections to errata in all
PADI media, plus a newsletter telling us whats happening round
the world. US based, well yes so the Bristol section of PADI
International adds there own newsletter to keep it local.

Imaging this for a scenario. Phil Harrsion writes 500 words per
quarter on how BSAC is doing. You do the same. Add the NDO's
reports and any relevant news. Stick in updates and errata/
corrections. Add SDC information. Get the mailshop to stick
there "specails" in.

Whoops looks like BSAC have got themselves a magazine.

If collating all this is a bit daunting and you think there is
a conflict with dive, then fine. Make it web based.


Admit it Terry, for once you got it wrong, you said I had only made 1 posting when I've made at least 8 and I would even go as far as saying 8 important postings. Go on Terry, admit it for once and you'll have my respect for a considerable time to come.

Cheers.......Allan
:=

Yep got it wrong, in 14 months you have made 14 postings
(including all those above). That's one a month! Well done!

TerryH

[TerryH]

Hey Terry, if you ever undergo past-life hypnotic regression, don't be surprised if it turns out you were a Rottweiler last time around
Cheers
Steve

Dont say that. I bet a few on here would like to take me to the
vet. Oooch!!!

TerryH

[Nevil Adkins]

Hi Chaps,

Are you talking of the new diver-training scheme or the old one? If you?re looking at the new diver-training scheme all the details for Dive Planning and Marshalling are on pages 431 ? 434 of the Instructor Manual and basically requires the would-be advanced diver to plan and execute a minimum 2-day diving trip to a site unfamiliar to all the participants of the dive trip. This would include all pre-planning, organisation, accommodation, site location, determining site conditions, etc, etc. It?s not as simple of logging a couple of divers in and out of Stoney Cove.

Cheers???..Allan

As Allan says, the requirements for the new AD system are in the manual - HOWEVER, as with most things in BSAC training, there has to be a certain degree of interpretation. I have recently left Oman and it would be virtually impossible for the Club to go diving at sites that were unfamiliar to all participants since our possible sites were pretty limited. However, in that location there were no hotels, no dive shops, no charter boats, etc. so organising a weekend diving involved camping, portable compressors, fueling arrangements, etc. for anything up to 20 divers and another 20+ family members - enough to give the would-be AD plenty to think about.

The question the assessing instructor has to ask is "would I be happy letting this person take my nearest & dearest away on a weekend diving trip, confident that they could deal appropriately with anything/everything that happened?" In order to answer this, the potential AD has to be seen to perform at the edge of the envelope, not merely inside their 'comfort zone'.

In any circumstances where you are uncertain in the application of the BSAC Training Standards then I would suggest your first stop be the senior instructors within your Branch, followed by your Area/Regional Coach.

Cheers
Nevil