Cylinder stickers

[ade gorst]

My old twinset had to retire due to ill health.

My new one needs (Trimix) stickers and I've yet to find a dive shop that have any in stock.

Without these stickers I can't get it filled and Im forced to use a foot pump that came free with my inflatable crocodile.

Any suggestions on where I can get some asap, mailorder etc....

Thanks in advance

Ade G

[Keith Lawrence(BSAC)]

My old twinset had to retire due to ill health.

My new one needs (Trimix) stickers and I've yet to find a dive shop that have any in stock.

Without these stickers I can't get it filled and Im forced to use a foot pump that came free with my inflatable crocodile.

Any suggestions on where I can get some asap, mailorder etc....

Thanks in advance

Ade G

I don't know if they are on the online catalogue yet - but contact the BSAC MailShop! As a service to our members we stock the appropriate stickers at virtually cost price.

Regards

Keith L

[David Lisk]

I do not understand why the supplier of the cylinder did not place a trimix sticker on the cylinder along with an oxygen clean sticker stating the date for re-cleaning to oxygen clean standards. Since trimix cylinders, depending on the method of filling, can have pure oxygen added they do need to be oxygen clean.

David




:=My old twinset had to retire due to ill health.
:=
:=My new one needs (Trimix) stickers and I've yet to find a dive shop that have any in stock.
:=
:=Without these stickers I can't get it filled and Im forced to use a foot pump that came free with my inflatable crocodile.
:=
:=Any suggestions on where I can get some asap, mailorder etc....
:=
:=Thanks in advance
:=
:=Ade G

I don't know if they are on the online catalogue yet - but contact the BSAC MailShop! As a service to our members we stock the appropriate stickers at virtually cost price.

Regards

Keith L

[Nick Kay]

My old twinset had to retire due to ill health.
My new one needs (Trimix) stickers and I've yet to find a dive shop that have any in stock.

Without these stickers I can't get it filled and Im forced to use a foot pump that came free with my inflatable crocodile.

Any suggestions on where I can get some asap, mailorder etc....

Thanks in advance

Ade G

Ade, I had the same problem, then was instructing at Capernwray and they had them in the shop. Costs were something like ?2 for a small one ?2.50 for a bigger one

[Keith Lawrence(BSAC)]

Ade, I had the same problem, then was instructing at Capernwray and they had them in the shop. Costs were something like ?2 for a small one ?2.50 for a bigger one

Try the BSAC Mailshop (link below), 12p for Air/Nitrox and 16p for Trimix. These are industry standard stickers that comply with the requirements of BS EN 1089 - 2.

Regards

Keith L

[John Williams]

I do not understand why the supplier of the cylinder did not place a trimix sticker on the cylinder along with an oxygen clean sticker stating the date for re-cleaning to oxygen clean standards. Since trimix cylinders, depending on the method of filling, can have pure oxygen added they do need to be oxygen clean.


Because the cylinder manufacturer has no idea which wholesaler will buy it from their stock.

The wholesaler has no idea which retailer will buy it from them

And the retailer has no idea who will buy it from them...let alone what the final purchaser intends to fill it with.

So the manufacturer sells standard cylinders and the final decision about what "extras" it will need (like stickers) is left to the person who buys it.

If you need a sticker pay the BSAC a few pence and get one!

John

[David Lisk]

The question related to the situation where the cylinder could not be filled as "Without these stickers I can't get it filled"
This is why the supplier or perhaps the filling/testing station which he is to use should carry out any nessary tests for oxygen service etc., which would allow his cylinder have the stickers (applied by the testing company) to be added to the cylinder. Surely just putting a sticker on a standard cylinder does not make it compatable for nitrox or trimix.

David



:=I do not understand why the supplier of the cylinder did not place a trimix sticker on the cylinder along with an oxygen clean sticker stating the date for re-cleaning to oxygen clean standards. Since trimix cylinders, depending on the method of filling, can have pure oxygen added they do need to be oxygen clean.


Because the cylinder manufacturer has no idea which wholesaler will buy it from their stock.

The wholesaler has no idea which retailer will buy it from them

And the retailer has no idea who will buy it from them...let alone what the final purchaser intends to fill it with.

So the manufacturer sells standard cylinders and the final decision about what "extras" it will need (like stickers) is left to the person who buys it.

If you need a sticker pay the BSAC a few pence and get one!

John

[petem]

The question related to the situation where the cylinder could not be filled as "Without these stickers I can't get it filled"
This is why the supplier or perhaps the filling/testing station which he is to use should carry out any nessary tests for oxygen service etc., which would allow his cylinder have the stickers (applied by the testing company) to be added to the cylinder. Surely just putting a sticker on a standard cylinder does not make it compatable for nitrox or trimix.

David

All cylinders are supplied O2 clean from the factory. You then put a valve on it which may or may not be O2 clean which effects the O2 compatibility of the cylinder. If the guy bought it and specified a cheap air only valve and the shop was out of those stickers, or it had bought the valve in especially for the customer to save then they would have not been able to fit a sticker. Similarly if the guy wanted a Nitrox tank he would not have been happy have an air sticker.

Having said all that I think a cylinder sold for scuba diving that can not be filled with a gas mix suitable for scuba diving is "not fit for the purpose" it was sold for and you can have the shop under the Sale of Goods Acts

Pete

[Nick Kay]

:=Ade, I had the same problem, then was instructing at Capernwray and they had them in the shop. Costs were something like ?2 for a small one ?2.50 for a bigger one

Try the BSAC Mailshop (link below), 12p for Air/Nitrox and 16p for Trimix. These are industry standard stickers that comply with the requirements of BS EN 1089 - 2.

Regards

Keith L

OUCH!!!

[Vic]

> Try the BSAC Mailshop (link below), 12p for Air/Nitrox and
> 16p for Trimix.

And ?3 P&P!

Vic.

[John Williams]

Surely just putting a sticker on a standard cylinder does not make it compatable for nitrox or trimix.

David


Most new cylinders are supplied "in oxygen service" or at least are "oxygen compatible" and ready for cleaning these days. Which means that they can usually be filled with any gas mix you like.

However - as soon as you fill a cylinder with standard (single filtered)air it is no longer "in oxygen service" and therefore can not be filled with anything other than air.

The sticker is the selling/testing/cleaning stations way of saying that it was clean the day they cleaned it. It also signifies your intent to keep it clean.

That is a two phase process and they can only control half of it.

Since they have no guarantee that you don't intend to fill it with standard air and render it "unclean" they will not attach stickers to it for you unless you specifically ask them to (and therefore state your intention to keep up your side of the "clean" bargain).

We could pressure the manufacturer to supply all cylinders with a variety if stickers for purchasers to choose from...but then those that don't want them would complain about the cost.

The simplest, and fairest, way to deal with this is to sell stickers to those that want them.

However I do feel that any filling station offering mixed gases is almost duty-bound to have a stock of said stickers for people to buy.

John

[Nick Kay]

SDS Watersports provide a nice additional (free) service...

When you have your clinders O2 serviced, they put the relevant sticker onto the cylinder(s) - no difference so far.

They then give you a separate printed certificate, so that if the one on the cylinder becomes degraded over the year, you can get a replacement from them...

[John Williams]

> Try the BSAC Mailshop (link below), 12p for Air/Nitrox and
> 16p for Trimix.

And ?3 P&P!

Vic.

So buy a decanter whilst your there and save on the P&P for half your order

;-)))

John

[Nick Kay]

I do not understand why the supplier of the cylinder did not place a trimix sticker on the cylinder along with an oxygen clean sticker stating the date for re-cleaning to oxygen clean standards. Since trimix cylinders, depending on the method of filling, can have pure oxygen added they do need to be oxygen clean.

David

Surely the "Trimix" sticker is, in any case, only a "Warning", i.e. this cylinder may contain a gas that isn't air - it's contents as stated on the sticker, e.g. 23/35 or whatever

That sticker has nothing to do with whether or not the cylinder is safe to be filled, i.e. in O2 service, or that the user is correctly certified to use the gas in the cylinder...

[David Lisk]

I agree the "Trimix" sticker is only a warning, however as I stated in an earlier post, the question related to the difficulty in having a cylinder filled ie. "Without these stickers I can't get it filled".

A trimix or nitrox cylinder labelled cylinder should also contain an additional O2 clean sticker which will have the expiry date clearly indcated, usually by punch out holes on the sticker.

In saying this it has always been the case that you could present a cylinder to a filling station, with all the correct labelling and O2 stickers etc, but the cylinder has been contaminated by, for example, non-filtered air. Apart from the honesty/integrity of the person presentating the cylinder there is no way the filling station will know until perhaps it is too late! If a filling station is suspect of a cylinder, even when it is correctly labelled and in service they can refuse to fill it.

The main point in my reply is that where a cylinder is to be filled with mixed gases it is not simply a matter of going out and buying a sticker for it, but rather the cylinder is put in proper service by qualified personnel and the certificates and stickers are issued and affixed by them. You should still be able to buy trimix or nitrox stickers for you own use but they should only be used to replace worn stickers on currenty clean cylinders.

David


Surely the "Trimix" sticker is, in any case, only a "Warning", i.e. this cylinder may contain a gas that isn't air - it's contents as stated on the sticker, e.g. 23/35 or whatever

That sticker has nothing to do with whether or not the cylinder is safe to be filled, i.e. in O2 service, or that the user is correctly certified to use the gas in the cylinder...

[Keith Lawrence(BSAC)]

> Try the BSAC Mailshop (link below), 12p for Air/Nitrox and
> 16p for Trimix.

And ?3 P&P!

:((( I'll check on that one!

Keith L

[Keith Lawrence(BSAC)]

OK, an update.

I?ve spoken to Phil (Mailshop) at HQ and there is agreement that for small and light orders our historical ?3 P&P price is high, this has arisen because it is only recently that we?ve started doing more of the small orders.

Very small orders (e.g. 1 sticker!) do cause us problems, we end up paying more in CC charges than we take. No matter what it is and how small there is always a handling and postage charge that we cannot get away from, this is far more than the cost of a sticker. I can only suggest that you order a few dozen for friends and other branch members.

The web site is ?set? at our standard ?3 charge and is a bit more difficult to change, what we are proposing at present is to put a note on there to telephone the mailshop and ask them about P&P, for small orders we will get it down as low as we can and it wont be the full ?3.

So there?s the answer - for small orders telephone them in and the mailshop will advise as to a reduced P&P cost, but you can do us all a favour by buying a batch of stickers (if that?s all you want) for yourself and friends and help to keep the overall cost low.

HTH

Keith L

[Paul Oliver]

Keith

How about we send a SAE with cost payment.

Bit old fashioned but?

Regards

Paul

[Adrian Kelland]

Keith

How about we send a SAE with cost payment.

Bit old fashioned but?

Regards

Paul

We probably neen to recover a bit for labour Paul. It all adds up. But is a good idea for those sending an oder, but the phone route can't use this.

Adrian

[Mick Penfare]

And ?3 P&P!

Vic.

I bought some a few weeks back and postage was a quid so the stickers worked out to 18.5p and 22.5p each. Still a lot better than the dive shops.

Mick

[cat]

OK, an update.

I?ve spoken to Phil (Mailshop) at HQ and there is agreement that for small and light orders our historical ?3 P&P price is high, this has arisen because it is only recently that we?ve started doing more of the small orders.

Very small orders (e.g. 1 sticker!) do cause us problems, we end up paying more in CC charges than we take. No matter what it is and how small there is always a handling and postage charge that we cannot get away from, this is far more than the cost of a sticker. I can only suggest that you order a few dozen for friends and other branch members.

The web site is ?set? at our standard ?3 charge and is a bit more difficult to change, what we are proposing at present is to put a note on there to telephone the mailshop and ask them about P&P, for small orders we will get it down as low as we can and it wont be the full ?3.

So there?s the answer - for small orders telephone them in and the mailshop will advise as to a reduced P&P cost, but you can do us all a favour by buying a batch of stickers (if that?s all you want) for yourself and friends and help to keep the overall cost low.

HTH

Keith L

Or order more than one you'll only rip it off on the beach getting it into the boat car etc

[TerryH]

Or order more than one you'll only rip it off on the beach getting it into the boat car etc


Or maybe simply use a hair-dryer!!!!!!!!!!!

Clean the surface apply the sticker plus heat and it will
adhere to the painted surface.

As long as it lasts 2.5 years you get a new for free,
when it's tested anyway.

TerryH