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charlescreed89
29-10-2010, 04:09
Hello, my name is Charles Creed

I've been SCUBA diving since i was 8 years old and has been great passion of mine, unfortunately I'm unable to SCUBA dive as frequently as i want, also who wants to SCUBA dive in the cold British waters anyways?

I'm currently studying Industrial Design at university and for my major project i want to develop an assertive gear for paraplegics / amputees to extend there dive time and give them as much freedom as an able bodied SCUBA diver has.

So I was wondering if people wouldn't mind spending a minute of their time filling out a questionnaire?


This questionnaire is aimed at instructors but can also be filled out by handicapped SCUBA divers as well.

www.surveymonkey.com/s/ZM9L3SV


Sorry if this seems like spam, if people are interested i can keep updates on my project on a blog.

bythesea
29-10-2010, 09:03
I enjoy diving in cold British waters, I suspect many on here do...

Ron MacRae
29-10-2010, 11:46
I enjoy diving in cold British waters, I suspect many on here do...

I agree. I've dived a few places abroad by my favourite is still Scapa Flow.:)

Ron.

Edward
29-10-2010, 13:45
I enjoy diving in cold British waters, I suspect many on here do...

After 30+ years of diving UK takes some beating. And its only cold if your waring the wrong kit.

Edward

ChristianG
29-10-2010, 14:03
Can you detect a trend here Charles?

Talk about "shooting yourself in the foot 101".

Mike Halligan
29-10-2010, 15:53
<> also who wants to SCUBA dive in the cold British waters anyways?


Ouch! You really haven't been listening, have you? :D :D :D

Ed Howarth
29-10-2010, 16:30
Well, I've done the survey.... and it was as meaningless as I expected.

The good thing about it, it was short.

Ed

Andy (treerat)
29-10-2010, 17:24
,
This questionnaire is aimed at instructors but can also be filled out by handicapped SCUBA divers as well.



As I'm neither of these - just a lowly club DO, I'm not worthy of filling it in :(

charlescreed89
29-10-2010, 17:26
Sorry if i offended some people :S my attempt at self deprecating humour seems to have failed.

yea, this questionnaire isn't the best it's aimed to find just cause to design the product.


been noticing a trend that people have been saying divers pretty much last similar time to able bodied divers. is this due to larger tanks being used or am i missing something else.

The product will probably be a more integrated version of a sea scooter that won't hinder hand and arm movement. as currently if you want to want to adjust your buoyancy when swimming you have to stop and adjust then start moving again. assuming arms are your only mode of propulsion. and communication can become an issue as well.

if i'm being blind about something please point so out :)

charlescreed89
29-10-2010, 17:29
if you had experience with diving with people with a limitation your more than welcome to fill it out :)

been bit to restrictive with who can fill it out i'll edit it in a min.

Edward
29-10-2010, 23:06
if you had experience with diving with people with a limitation your more than welcome to fill it out :)

been bit to restrictive with who can fill it out i'll edit it in a min.

Putting out a questionnaire and then amending it mid stream will undermine any analysis - and the academics will hate you with a vengeance. Let it run its course and do a second survey if required. Speak to you tutor.

Edward

Mike Halligan
30-10-2010, 10:44
Sorry if i offended some people :S my attempt at self deprecating humour seems to have failed.

yea, this questionnaire isn't the best it's aimed to find just cause to design the product.


been noticing a trend that people have been saying divers pretty much last similar time to able bodied divers. is this due to larger tanks being used or am i missing something else.

The product will probably be a more integrated version of a sea scooter that won't hinder hand and arm movement. as currently if you want to want to adjust your buoyancy when swimming you have to stop and adjust then start moving again. assuming arms are your only mode of propulsion. and communication can become an issue as well.

if i'm being blind about something please point so out :)

OK, let's start with "A person supporting a disability is first a person, then we note that they support a disability."

Now, let's add "You and I disable when we fail to take account of another person's needs. That other person's needs do not constitute a disability."

And to round things off, the concept that "Your body is defective and we can't make you better. Ergo, you are disabled." is a non-starter in Europe in 2010.

If you want to be really offensive, start talking about "the handicapped" and you've got the full set.

This may go a little way to explaining your blindness to disability, issues, rights and obligations. So far, you appear fixated on limb dysfunction, a tiny part of disability. Until you research the whole subject and actually invest a lot of your own time working with people who are disabled to put in place provisions required by European governments, I'm afraid you will not understand disability.

Tony Dwyer
30-10-2010, 12:26
OK, let's start with "A person supporting a disability is first a person, then we note that they support a disability."

Now, let's add "You and I disable when we fail to take account of another person's needs. That other person's needs do not constitute a disability."

And to round things off, the concept that "Your body is defective and we can't make you better. Ergo, you are disabled." is a non-starter in Europe in 2010.

If you want to be really offensive, start talking about "the handicapped" and you've got the full set.

This may go a little way to explaining your blindness to disability, issues, rights and obligations. So far, you appear fixated on limb dysfunction, a tiny part of disability. Until you research the whole subject and actually invest a lot of your own time working with people who are disabled to put in place provisions required by European governments, I'm afraid you will not understand disability.

Spot on Mike. you deserve greens, unfortunately the system won't let me.

The questionnaire was trite and in my view asinine. There was no way I could answer it in a meaningful way.

Charles.

I'm very much in favour of aids for people that have been injured or who were born with or have developed a physical disadvantage.
Prosthesis have come a long way and there's further yet to go. If you become a decent engineer in the field, then good on you.

However, you really need to understand the related subjects and how to communicate. Frankly your efforts here have been pants.

My verdict, someone with your educational aspirations should be able to do better.

garethwoodruff
30-10-2010, 14:11
As I'm neither of these - just a lowly club DO, I'm not worthy of filling it in :(

lowly DO :p my expereince of DO's is they are kind of demi-gods within the club environment !

Incidently, why don't you become an OWI?, it will help you with your own diving, it certainly did mine.

micromouse
30-10-2010, 18:50
Sorry if i offended some people :S my attempt at self deprecating humour seems to have failed.

yea, this questionnaire isn't the best it's aimed to find just cause to design the product.

so you have designed the product before asking the questions??


been noticing a trend that people have been saying divers pretty much last similar time to able bodied divers. is this due to larger tanks being used or am i missing something else.

I dont see how disability will greatly affect the breathing rate/SAC of a diver. Surely any diver will dive within their own limits, so I might manage 30 mins at 20M, and cover 100M of a wreck, and use 150bar but my disabled buddy, can only cover 50M in the same time at the same breathing rate.

The product will probably be a more integrated version of a sea scooter that won't hinder hand and arm movement. as currently if you want to want to adjust your buoyancy when swimming you have to stop and adjust then start moving again.

I take it you don't use your own breathing volume to control bouyancy?

assuming arms are your only mode of propulsion. and communication can become an issue as well.

You might do well to contact some of the groups involved with disabled divers, and speak to the divers themselves. You might find that they find very innovative ways of doing the things that we think would be difficult.

if i'm being blind about something please point so out :)

You might be asking that question of someone who is... do you want to re-phrase that last question?

One of my first jobs was designing wheelchair control systems for disabled children. The company was having complaints all the time, until we started asking the kids what they wanted, without all the grownups telling them what they thought they wanted. The end result was an electric wheel chair that really worked, was popular with the kids, and their parents. (We never did get the requested rocket launcher and machine guns passed H&S though).

MM

northern_diver
30-10-2010, 18:51
Charles,

From someone at uni, working on their finial project, im suprised your questionnaire was allowed out into the harsh light of day. The questions are poorly designed and poorly formated IMHO to harvest little actual useful or representative data and from an investigative point of view, is rather narrow.

A better questionnaire (see above) would surely gain you better marks and thus a better degree, i suggest you revise it and re-publish.

A scooter that requires no hand holds etc already is on the market, it attaches to the cylinder and goes from there...maybe a help/hinderance, depending on what you wish to do. Would help me though, as it could be turned to your advantage.

The forum will help and can be a massively useful tool, but only if used correctly. I dont want to sound too negative:(

John

Andy (treerat)
31-10-2010, 10:43
Incidently, why don't you become an OWI?, it will help you with your own diving, it certainly did mine.

Because diving is the only thing I don't teach out of all my other hobies;

IE
Used to competivley swim and went on to coach and teach (qualified)
Love canoeing and a qualified coach
Run safety events and team of lifeguards - and teach, train and asses them.
Teach first aid and train and assess first aid trainers.

Diving is what I do for fun - as much as a DO can - I suspect I'll get around to an IFC at some point - just not yet.

Mick Murphy
31-10-2010, 15:22
Oh Dear Charles - you seem to have got something wrong here - your in the middle of the most dedicated divers in the world - who KNOW what their doing.
Perhaps a jog along to their club night might help you out a Little.
Or maybe ..........