View Full Version : Contemplating Gettin Open Safety Apocalypse IV iCCR
Mike Smith
27-07-2010, 15:58
I am spending a lot of time looking at it:
http://www.opensafety.eu/datasheets/Apoc090512.pdf
Half the price of most CCRs and, according to the blurb, very safe.
Discovery Mk VI is sooo last month....
Comments? Advice?
Nigel Hewitt
27-07-2010, 16:49
Probably 'wait and see' is the best advice. When you can dive one and make a comparison with what else is on the market that is the time to decide.
I actually don't know if this has been launched yet. There was talk at EUROTEK.2010 in November 2008 of it "coming out in a few months time", and I think 20 months down the line it's still not been released. Am sure that Rebreather World discussed this death, so might well be worth hopping over onto that Forum for more info. V happy to stand corrected if anyone else has more uptodate news. Personally if you're looking for a unit to start diving now, there's a big choice of machines out there that are in full production.
SoggyBottoms
27-07-2010, 17:28
according to the blurb, very safe.
very safe as it's not in production and likely never will be ;)
I would be very cautious.
They haven't been released yet (and some people think they never will be).
I almost put down a deposit for one but I'm glad I didn't.
Janos
PS - With any new rebreather - it's the second mouse that gets the cheese.
Mike Smith
28-07-2010, 10:15
Well they've emailed me saying they're just waiting for the final EN certification or whatever before they start shipping and that there are no outstanding issues but obv. they would say that.
I'm thinking of doing a CCR course in the Red Sea over winter and will make a more informed decision then. Either the BSAC CCR diver course or the TDI Inspiration course. Any views on which is best?
I'm thinking of doing a CCR course in the Red Sea over winter and will make a more informed decision then. Either the BSAC CCR diver course or the TDI Inspiration course. Any views on which is best?
Start looking at the instructor who is going to teach you. The quality, knowledge, experience and ethics of the instructor has a huge bearing on your training. I'd start looking at who I want to get trained by first, then think about which agency I want the course with.
Nigel Hewitt
28-07-2010, 10:51
Start looking at the instructor who is going to teach you. The quality, knowledge, experience and ethics of the instructor has a huge bearing on your training. I'd start looking at who I want to get trained by first, then think about which agency I want the course with.
ROTFL.
For my hypoxic trimix rebreather course I drove all the way down to Geneva to get the guys I wanted and I didn't know the agency they were using until they gave me the forms to fill out on the first day.
Am sure that Rebreather World discussed this death, so might well be worth hopping over onto that Forum for more info.
As an aside breathers with long product names tend to end up with a nickname. A good case in point is VR's Ouroboros (the name roughly means everlasting life), which is affectionately known as "the Boris". As the "Apocalypse IV" is a bit of a mouthful, I gather it has been abbreviated to "the Pox" so if you're having a mooch on RWB, it well be worth putting that phrase into the site's Search Engine.
gobfish1
31-07-2010, 16:55
As an aside breathers with long product names tend to end up with a nickname. A good case in point is VR's Ouroboros (the name roughly means everlasting life), which is affectionately known as "the Boris". As the "Apocalypse IV" is a bit of a mouthful, I gather it has been abbreviated to "the Pox" so if you're having a mooch on RWB, it well be worth putting that phrase into the site's Search Engine.
think the Apox threads are no more on RBW ,,
. Either the BSAC CCR diver course or the TDI Inspiration course.
The materials on the BSAC course are way better than most other agencies. I did BSAC CCR MOD1 and it had the best material of any course I've ever done.
The advice to choose your instructor first is good, if you know the instructors. Unfortunately a lot of them believe their own publicity and seem to have their own group of acolytes so its hard to get impartial advice.
I will pass on the advice I was given, learn on a second hand Inspo classic, (£1750 to £2250), get 50 hours under your belt and then you will know what it is in a Unit you are looking for and what to buy. Best advice I was ever given.
Most people have a vested interest int he advice they give you, because they are not about to say 'the unit I just bought for £5k is crap'.
By the way, I have a spare Inspo Classic... :D
I also think the Apocalypse will be the safest unit on the market, because I don't think it will ever see water... :)
Buying a rebreather is hard. Not only is there a financial commitment but there's also an emotional commitment involved in buying a rebreather which makes users partially blind to their faults. I would also beware of instructors who have a vested interest in selling a particular unit.
My best advice would be to try a couple of different units and talk to any friends you have who dive different units.
Re: training, the BSAC materials are the best I've seen but a good instructor is more important than good materials.
Janos
If you are seriously considering buying a rebreather, I'd suggest that you attend EUROTEK.2010 in October. Currently we have Kim from Jetsam Technologies (Kiss), the usual suspects from Ambient Pressure Diving (Evolution and Inspiration), Paul from rEvo and Kevin Gurr from VR Technology (Sentinel and Boris) attending.
Also around for the weekend and available to talk about rebreather diving (not including other delegates) will be the likes of Tom Mount, Martin Robson, Phill Short, Richie Stevenson, Dave Thompson, Simon Mitchell, Jill Heinerth, Bruce Weinke, Evan Kovacs, Martyn Farr, Rick Stanton; and there will be a specialist Rebreather Panel where you can ask questions.
I am hoping the PRISM 2 and JJ Rebreather will be making an appearance, but I cannot confirm this currently.
In addition the likes of Narked @ 90 and Shearwater are also exhibiting, whilst on the education front Dive-Tech, IANTD, MR Diving, PADI TecRec, Phil Grigg and TDI will all have stands.
All in all a veritable smorgasbord of Rebreather technology, toys, education and experience. Tickets are on currently on sale at www.eurotek.uk.com This should give you a 'serious heads up' and 'big stuff to think' about come the end of the weekend (Saturday 16th and Sunday 17th October).
Mike Smith
03-08-2010, 16:53
Put it in my diary but may be in Scapa that weekend.
Apocalypse?
Why couldn't they find a name that's more INSPIRING
Like.... Oh, that's already been done.
Nigel Hewitt
04-08-2010, 09:25
If you want to use a biblical reference there are so many that are better.
I always fancied calling a boat "The Wings of the Morning"
Not only does it sound good stand alone but the quote is:
Psalm 139:9-10
If I take the wings of the morning and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;
Even there shall your hand lead me, and your right hand shall hold me.
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