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shanemitchell1977
17-06-2010, 20:05
Does anyone know who does the sign off for training qualifications as a direct member?
Adrian Kelland
17-06-2010, 20:07
Did you use a BSAC dive centre?
The instructor should sign off the lesson, the centre's nominated senior instructor can sign off a qualification.
As a last resort, I think someone, not sure who, at HQ can also sign off.
SoggyBottoms
17-06-2010, 20:32
Or if you're on an SDC the course "Boss" or qualified instructor will sign off.
Nigel Hewitt
17-06-2010, 22:10
Beware: BSAC actively resists the idea of an 'independent' instructor so training is always under the auspices of a school or a club. They are the people who sign things off. Without that our whole QA path collapses.
Or if you're on an SDC the course "Boss" or qualified instructor will sign off.
Sorry, this in not correct, the qualification sign-off is the "Lead Instructor" of a BSAC Branch or Centre (see here (NDC Bulletin No, 48) (http://www.bsac.com/core/core_picker/download.asp?id=10614&filetitle=Issue48%5FJan07) page 4 and 5.
Regards
Edward
Does anyone know who does the sign off for training qualifications as a direct member?
A couple of years ago when I was a direct member it was a guy called Alistair Reynolds who was the DO for Direct members at BSAC HQ. I think he has now left and I dont know who took over the role. Best bet is to contact HQ who should be able to advise.
Sorry, this in not correct, the qualification sign-off is the "Lead Instructor" of a BSAC Branch or Centre (see here (NDC Bulletin No, 48) (http://www.bsac.com/core/core_picker/download.asp?id=10614&filetitle=Issue48%5FJan07) page 4 and 5.
Regards
Edward
I thought that the Regional Teams were thought of as a centre/branch and that the regional coach was the lead instructor?
Gary
I thought that the Regional Teams were thought of as a centre/branch and that the regional coach was the lead instructor?
Gary
Hi Gary,
I have no personal problem with that opinion.
Is a Region a BSAC Branch? Branch number (No); constitution (No). - Regional Coach appointed by NDO Area Coaches appointed by Regional Coach (as I understand it).
Is a Region a BSAC Centre? Approved and overseen by BSAC International, no - appointed by the NDO.
The NDO issued the NDC Bulletin, but chose (for whatever reason) not to include Coaches in the definition of "Lead Instructor", therefore, as it stands they shouldn't sign-off diver qualifications.
Regards
Edward
shanemitchell1977
18-06-2010, 10:28
Seems like this has got some good feedback, I became a BSAC direct member because of issues with my club to many double standards. My friend is OWI and has continued my training as Dive Leader, Correct me if im wrong but is what where saying is there should be regional DO to complete sign off??
Hi Gary,
I have no personal problem with that opinion.
Is a Region a BSAC Branch? Branch number (No); constitution (No). - Regional Coach appointed by NDO Area Coaches appointed by Regional Coach (as I understand it).
Is a Region a BSAC Centre? Approved and overseen by BSAC International, no - appointed by the NDO.
The NDO issued the NDC Bulletin, but chose (for whatever reason) not to include Coaches in the definition of "Lead Instructor", therefore, as it stands they shouldn't sign-off diver qualifications.
Regards
Edward
Am I correct in thinking that they can in the case of a dispute between the DO\LI and the trainee if it was felt that the DO\LI was wrong? (extreme I know)
Seems like this has got some good feedback, I became a BSAC direct member because of issues with my club to many double standards. My friend is OWI and has continued my training as Dive Leader, Correct me if im wrong but is what where saying is there should be regional DO to complete sign off??
Hi Shane,
From the description above of the way you are receiving training your friend is operating outside BSAC guidance, which could undermine the qualification you are hoping to achieve. Additionally, this is sounding like "man-in-van" training which BSAC does not support (see the Branch Officers' Handbook Section 4.2.3 copied below:
Instructors are reminded that for BSAC to maintain proper quality control, BSAC does not support independent instructors. All instructors must operate either through a BSAC Branch, Coaching Teams or as a professional in a BSAC recognised training Centre.
It used to be the case that HQ would sign-off BSAC Direct members qualifications. Now Lead Instructors of whichever Branch or BSAC Centre provide the last lesson signs-off the qualification this is no longer applicable.
There is no such position of Regional DO. As it currently stands you will need to speak to the Lead Instructor of your friend’s Branch. And if they are also BSAC Direct then they should not be offering instruction in this way. Instructors whom are members of BSAC Direct may only instruct under the guidance of a Branch’s Lead Instructor (not always the DO) or through a commercial BSAC Centre.
PS. Where are you located, we run training (http://www.reefz.plus.com/fyne-divers/regional-training-10.html) for all BSAC members once a month.
Regards
Edward
Am I correct in thinking that they can in the case of a dispute between the DO\LI and the trainee if it was felt that the DO\LI was wrong? (extreme I know)
Extreme.
While there is no ‘Character Reference’ box to tick on any training record page of the member’s Qualification Record Book, members seeking a qualification should be expected to display common sense and a duty of care appropriate to the qualification they seek. This becomes progressively more important as they aspire to Dive Leader and Advanced Diver qualifications. Evident absence of ‘the right attitude’ can be grounds for declining to award a qualification until it changes for the better, but Branch Diving Officers must be prepared to justify / explain to the member involved any delay in awarding a qualification on these grounds, and provide whatever retraining / guidance is necessary. Regional Coaches can be called in to arbitrate, if necessary.
My emphasis, its arbitrate not overrule and sign.
Regards
Edward
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