basic pool training

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Do BSAC members need to have a training qualification to do basic pool training with newbies. eg. Our local army cadets/scouts. (they have their own liability insurance which covers us.)One to one training, basic gear explaination, bouyancy, mask clear, end of pool and back. Max depth 2m. End of training.

[David Walker]

Do BSAC members need to have a training qualification to do basic pool training with newbies. eg. Our local army cadets/scouts. (they have their own liability insurance which covers us.)One to one training, basic gear explaination, bouyancy, mask clear, end of pool and back. Max depth 2m. End of training.

You only need to be a BSAC instructor to teach BSAC courses, so as long as you aren't saying that they'll get any formal recognition from BSAC at the end then it isn't a problem. I think you'd also have to do it unpaid for HSE rules.
Ultimately though, you can make up your own course and teach whatever you want to whoever you want, as long as you're happy your insurance covers you if anyone you're teaching does have a problem then there shouldn't be any reason not to.

Of course I would say only do it if you're happy taking in people for the first time - whether or not you've done the instructor stuff, I personally (as a general rule) wouldn't want anyone below DL to be doing things like that, simply because we know they can look after themself but have no idea whether they can competently and safely look after others... if they can't, then clearly the consequences don't bear thinking about!

David

[Mike Halligan]

Do BSAC members need to have a training qualification to do basic pool training with newbies. eg. Our local army cadets/scouts. (they have their own liability insurance which covers us.)One to one training, basic gear explaination, bouyancy, mask clear, end of pool and back. Max depth 2m. End of training.

Is that basic equipment or scuba equipment?

Does the group's insurance cover you for the consequences of errors you may make in training these youngsters, or just the owners of the pool against damage the youngsters may do?

I guess my answer is "What does your risk assessment say?"

HTH

Mike

[Edward Haynes]

Only Nationally Qualified Instructors are allowed to teach (see the Policy link).

As your talking about under 18's you need to comply with the Welfare of the Vulnerable guidelines as well.

To give your cadets/scouts the best experience talk to your local BSAC Branch about them doing a Try-dive.

Edward

[sharkbait]

:=Do BSAC members need to have a training qualification to do basic pool training with newbies. eg. Our local army cadets/scouts. (they have their own liability insurance which covers us.)One to one training, basic gear explaination, bouyancy, mask clear, end of pool and back. Max depth 2m. End of training.

Is that basic equipment or scuba equipment?

Does the group's insurance cover you for the consequences of errors you may make in training these youngsters, or just the owners of the pool against damage the youngsters may do?

I guess my answer is "What does your risk assessment say?"

HTH

Mike


Scuba equipment.
Though it would be wise to enquire as to the level of liability cover. I suspect it will still be duty of care and prosecution if that duty isn't exercised properly-fair cop if you ask me. I have also done a comprehensive risk assesment from drowning to ear infections and the insurance is happy that we are qualified divers rather than qualified instructors.

[Mike Halligan]

:=:=Do BSAC members need to have a training qualification to do basic pool training with newbies. eg. Our local army cadets/scouts. (they have their own liability insurance which covers us.)One to one training, basic gear explaination, bouyancy, mask clear, end of pool and back. Max depth 2m. End of training.
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:=Is that basic equipment or scuba equipment?
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:=Does the group's insurance cover you for the consequences of errors you may make in training these youngsters, or just the owners of the pool against damage the youngsters may do?
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:=I guess my answer is "What does your risk assessment say?"
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Scuba equipment.
Though it would be wise to enquire as to the level of liability cover. I suspect it will still be duty of care and prosecution if that duty isn't exercised properly-fair cop if you ask me. I have also done a comprehensive risk assesment from drowning to ear infections and the insurance is happy that we are qualified divers rather than qualified instructors.

Ah, well, that rather depends whose insurance of what risk. According to the BSAC's policy it is NQIs (or ADIs under supervision). For this purpose, Try-dive, I would be looking at some fairly close poolside support even for NQIs.

Given the nature of your prospective students and bearing in mind the BSAC's policy on Children and Vulnerable Adults, what does your risk assessment say about the political, social and economic risks associated with this potential client group?

Merely 'thinking aloud', as it were, and with no particular role of my own in mind.

Mike

[will swift]

I think you'd also have to do it unpaid for HSE rules.

Unpaid or not I would have thought it best to comply with HSE ACoP, and bearing in mind the age of the 'students' and the nature of the instruction I would also think it wise that the 'instructors' were police checked.

Have fun.
Wills.

[Gary Cameron]

Do BSAC members need to have a training qualification to do basic pool training with newbies. eg. Our local army cadets/scouts. (they have their own liability insurance which covers us.)One to one training, basic gear explaination, bouyancy, mask clear, end of pool and back. Max depth 2m. End of training.

We call that a try dive. It is not training because there is no qualification. We do 2 hour sessions and go over the basic skills if they show aptitude. We do this with mainly prospective members but the scouts and guides come occasionally.

You really only need to be an assistant instructor (done IFC) to take them in but need on site supervision by a NQI. Our training officer does on site supervision.

Gary
York BSAC

[Sue Tuckett]

Only Nationally Qualified Instructors are allowed to teach (see the Policy link).

As your talking about under 18's you need to comply with the Welfare of the Vulnerable guidelines as well.

To give your cadets/scouts the best experience talk to your local BSAC Branch about them doing a Try-dive.

Edward

Whilst I would imagine you are dealing with under 18's in this instance, it is my understanding that we should comply with the Welfare of the Vulnerable Policy for ALL ages as vulnerability is not confined to those under 18.

Good Luck with the session!

Sue Tuckett
YORK BSAC

[edward haynes]

Sue

You are correct about the application of this policy.

Another area which needs consideration to see whether it applies or not is the Disabilities Discrimination Act.

Edward

Whilst I would imagine you are dealing with under 18's in this instance, it is my understanding that we should comply with the Welfare of the Vulnerable Policy for ALL ages as vulnerability is not confined to those under 18.

Good Luck with the session!

Sue Tuckett
YORK BSAC

[Mike Halligan]

Another area which needs consideration to see whether it applies or not is the Disabilities Discrimination Act.

Happy to offer case-specific advice to organisers.

Mike
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