Lost logbook

[cleddau]

Hi, How do I go about replacing a lost log book? I started diving, did my theory, did 7 dives (shore, rib and hard boat), but I never had my dives signed off. I had to stop diving due to messy divorce and although its been a few years, I want to start again. I'm quite happy with doing it all again, but I'd rather not. I did my nitrox theory last year when I thought that I'd be able to start again, but I had a knee injury that stopped that for the rest of last year. I'm thinking of going with a different local club as I've not had any contact from my old one at all since year. I think they think I'm not interested! Any help would be appreciated. I started late in life (47) and now at 51 I'd like to think that I still had a good few years left diving.
Cheers
Andy

[northern_diver]

Hi Andy

Welcome to the forum.

First off, is it a Log book or a Qualification book? As a log book isnt all that important at this stage in your diving, so thats ok.

Qualification wise, BSAC will has some information on you, if maybe your club did actually pass them on, though you mentioned you werent signed off.

If you inform your new club...or better, talk to your old club, they should remember you and be able to refresh and start over at a relative place to your requirements.

enjoy, welcome back :)

John

[MattS]

Hi, How do I go about replacing a lost log book? I started diving, did my theory, did 7 dives (shore, rib and hard boat), but I never had my dives signed off. I had to stop diving due to messy divorce and although its been a few years, I want to start again.Unfortunately, until you actually pass a qualification and it appears on your subs renewal, BSAC HQ may have no record of the lessons you completed. Getting lessons signed off is really quite an important task, you should take responsibility for it yourself. When you do complete a qualification, it's a good idea to keep a photocopy of the qualification certificate in a safe place.

I'm quite happy with doing it all again, but I'd rather not.If you go to a new club, explain the situation to the DO and if he is a decent type he should be able to get you through the lessons you completed by condensing sessions. This of course depends on your demonstrating you are competent and confident in the skills.

Keep in mind that diving has it's dangers and instructors owe it to everyone to ensure qualifications are only handed to those that can prove they have demonstrated the necessary skills. For their own safety, the safety of those they dive with and to be fair to those that are careful enough to get lessons signed off.

Your old club are your best route to not having to take the lessons again. Many branches keep records of the lessons their instructors provide and can fill in a qualification book retrospectively. You may even find your old DO and instructors are still around and will happily start up where they left off, just as soon you show willingness to progress.

I started late in life (47) and now at 51 I'd like to think that I still had a good few years left diving.The lady that first taught me to dive was in her 70s. By volunteering for all sorts of conservation projects she was able to dive 3 or 4 days a week on a pension and still find time to teach me for nothing :)

[cleddau]

:) Thanks very much for the replies! It was my qualification book, but good news! I've had the attic out! It was packed away with the divorce. I'm going to try to get my old DO to sign off my stuff for me.
Thanks again
Andy

[TrevorB]

Unfortunately, until you actually pass a qualification and it appears on your subs renewal, BSAC HQ may have no record of the lessons you completed. Getting lessons signed off is really quite an important task, you should take responsibility for it yourself. When you do complete a qualification, it's a good idea to keep a photocopy of the qualification certificate in a safe place.

If you go to a new club, explain the situation to the DO and if he is a decent type he should be able to get you through the lessons you completed by condensing sessions. This of course depends on your demonstrating you are competent and confident in the skills.

Keep in mind that diving has it's dangers and instructors owe it to everyone to ensure qualifications are only handed to those that can prove they have demonstrated the necessary skills. For their own safety, the safety of those they dive with and to be fair to those that are careful enough to get lessons signed off.

Your old club are your best route to not having to take the lessons again. Many branches keep records of the lessons their instructors provide and can fill in a qualification book retrospectively. You may even find your old DO and instructors are still around and will happily start up where they left off, just as soon you show willingness to progress.

The lady that first taught me to dive was in her 70s. By volunteering for all sorts of conservation projects she was able to dive 3 or 4 days a week on a pension and still find time to teach me for nothing :)

Matt I think your logic is flawless
I keep record cards for all our students and it their responsibilty to fill in the date and instructor number against every lesson. The instuctors then sign them and the same for the QRB's, but the record cards live with me for planning activity and working around lost logbooks.

Would love to meet the lady that taught you

TrevorB

[ChristianG]

Would love to meet the lady that taught you
IIRC the late, great Leni Riefenstahl, photographer extraordinaire, first learnt to dive when she was 71 but gave her age as 61 thinking that 71 might make her too old in the instructor's eyes.

I still have, somewhere, a picture of her aboard a Papua New Guinea liveaboard, fully kitted out with her camera system immediately alongside. That was in 2001 when she was 99.

At that great age I'm sure she got (and undoubtedly deserved) a DM tending to her wants on an exclusive basis but I very much doubt that I will even make it to that age, leave alone dive then.

[MattS]

Would love to meet the lady that taught youSadly Trevor, she passed away in 2007. You may get a flavour of Emmy Kelly from her obituary in the Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2007/may/04/obituaries.readersobituaries), she would thank you for taking the time to read it. I found it a privilege and an education to be her close friend for 10 years.

[Gareth]

Sadly Trevor, she passed away in 2007. You may get a flavour of Emmy Kelly from her obituary in the Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2007/may/04/obituaries.readersobituaries), she would thank you for taking the time to read it. I found it a privilege and an education to be her close friend for 10 years.


Matt

Thanks for posting the link. When you look at her history, you can't but help be impressed by her drive & strength of purpose, an example to us all.


Gareth

[TrevorB]

Leni Riefenstahl she used to be a film maker back in the 40's not always on the side of the angels, I knew she was a diver, did not know she was an instructor. The star wars was ending was a copy of one of her films.

Sorry I can be an anorak at times, I worked in the industry (my excuse)
TrevorB

[ChristianG]

Leni Riefenstahl she used to be a film maker back in the 40's not always on the side of the angels, I knew she was a diver, did not know she was an instructor. The star wars was ending was a copy of one of her films.

Sorry I can be an anorak at times, I worked in the industry (my excuse)
TrevorB
There are opinions and then there are opinions.

I was born during that war and, yes, I was "on the wrong side". Riefenstahl was asked to produce a propaganda film, something that the Nazi knew quite a lot about at the time, and did it superbly. Ask yourself, would you have done differently if in her shoes? Do you think that the Nuremberg trials (of Nazi war criminals) were just and fair (to the victor, the spoils)? Yet she was exonerated.

Regardless she lived with that for the rest of her life and i find that exceedingly sad.

Enough from me on that subject, she was a superb, brilliant and probing photographer and that's quite enough for me.

[ChristianG]

Sadly Trevor, she passed away in 2007. You may get a flavour of Emmy Kelly from her obituary. I found it a privilege and an education to be her close friend for 10 years.
What a fantastic story, thank you Matt. :)

[TrevorB]

There are opinions and then there are opinions.

I was born during that war and, yes, I was "on the wrong side". Riefenstahl was asked to produce a propaganda film, something that the Nazi knew quite a lot about at the time, and did it superbly. Ask yourself, would you have done differently if in her shoes? Do you think that the Nuremberg trials (of Nazi war criminals) were just and fair (to the victor, the spoils)? Yet she was exonerated.

Regardless she lived with that for the rest of her life and i find that exceedingly sad.

Enough from me on that subject, she was a superb, brilliant and probing photographer and that's quite enough for me.

Thanks Christian I knew the circumstances and I don’t disagree with you.
See the ending of her film and compare it with the Star Wars ending, they are identical so one assumes George Lucas was a fan too.

It’s always easy to use hindsight over these events and at the time the full extent of the horror was not known.

I said I would have loved to have met her and that still stands

TrevorB