OWIC

[ash82]

Hi,

Does the OWIC allow you to teach any more than just DL+IFC?

Thanks,

Ash

[Hamish]

Hi,

Does the OWIC allow you to teach any more than just DL+IFC?

Thanks,

Ash

The simple answer is no.

What it does do is gives you a better insight to what is expected on the OWI practical exam. So in my experience is well worth it if you are considering going for your practical OWI exam.

Hamish

[Gareth]

Hi,

Does the OWIC allow you to teach any more than just DL+IFC?

Thanks,

Ash

Ash

The OWIC is designed to teach you how to take the practical techniques taught on the IFC, & adapt them for the open water enviroment. It is aone day course.

It is a pre-requesite for the PIE (practical instructor exam).

You must be a DL to attend the OWIC.

With regard to what you can teach, there is little difference between an ADI + DL & an AOWI. That said, there is an anomoly in my version of the instructor manual. It states an ADI + DL can teach open water with on-site supervision at DL, but an AOWI needs inwater supervsion - an obvious error.
The big change on what can be taught is at AD, where you both need to be an AD & an OWIC to teach most of the course, some elements need an AI.

Gareth


ADI - Assistant Diving Instructor (attended an IFC)
AOWI - Assistant Open Water Instructor (attended an OWIC)

[ash82]

That said, there is an anomoly in my version of the instructor manual. It states an ADI + DL can teach open water with on-site supervision at DL, but an AOWI needs inwater supervsion - an obvious error.


Thanks! that's what confused me slightly so i thought i'd check!

[Hamish]

The big change on what can be taught is at AD, where you both need to be an AD & an OWIC to teach most of the course, some elements need an AI.

Gareth

ADI - Assistant Diving Instructor (attended an IFC)
AOWI - Assistant Open Water Instructor (attended an OWIC)

Gareth,

Please be aware that ADI's nor AOWI's can teach any sections of the AD grade. You must be a minimum of AD + OWI to teach and even then they can not teach the following;

AT1 The Role of the Advanced Diver
AP1 Expedition Planning
AP2 Dive Planning and Management

This requires an AI or AAI (Assistant Advanced Instructor) under supervision of the AI.

regards

Hamish

[Gareth]

Gareth,

Please be aware that ADI's nor AOWI's can teach any sections of the AD grade. You must be a minimum of AD + OWI to teach and even then they can not teach the following;

AT1 The Role of the Advanced Diver
AP1 Expedition Planning
AP2 Dive Planning and Management

This requires an AI or AAI (Assistant Advanced Instructor) under supervision of the AI.

regards

Hamish


Thanks Hamish

Thats what I meant, (mistyped OWIC insted of OWI :)).

Gareth

[Nick Argue]

Odd really that a DL can teach in Open Water before attending the OWIC. I would have thought :

DL+IFC -> sheltered water instructing
DL+OWIC -> open water instructing

after all as Garath says "The OWIC is designed to teach you how to take the practical techniques taught on the IFC, & adapt them for the open water enviroment"

[Chris_M]

If I remember correctly a AOWI can teach SP1 under onsite, where as an ADI +DL can not. So yes, you can teach more as an AOWI than as a DL+ADI. I would say however that a large amount of your instructor experience and learning is done within the club and not on the courses, so even if you are allowed to teach without supervision, it may be worth observing another instructor/ have them observe you, before teaching with just on site supervision.

[Hamish]

If I remember correctly a AOWI can teach SP1 under onsite, where as an ADI +DL can not. So yes, you can teach more as an AOWI than as a DL+ADI. I would say however that a large amount of your instructor experience and learning is done within the club and not on the courses, so even if you are allowed to teach without supervision, it may be worth observing another instructor/ have them observe you, before teaching with just on site supervision.

Hi Chris,

Sorry about this but have to correct you. If you look at the IM, the instructor requirements detailed under ‘Introduction & Instructor Requirements, for Sports Diver state the following;

● Assistant Diving Instructors qualified to Sports Diver - can teach classroom, sheltered water lessons under on-site supervision and open water lessons under the direct supervision of an Instructor who holds the minimum qualification of BSAC Open Water Instructor.

● Assistant Diving Instructors qualified to Dive Leader - can teach classroom, sheltered water lessons, and open water lessons under the on-site supervision of an Instructor who holds the minimum qualification of BSAC Open Water Instructor.

● Assistant Open Water Instructors – can teach Classroom and Sheltered Water lessons and Open Water lessons under onsite supervision of an Instructor who holds the minimum qualification of BSAC Open Water Instructor

So as can be seen there is no difference in what either can teach between the ADI + DL and the AOWI (who of course is a DL).

The prime reason for undertaking the OWIC is to further your own understanding of how to teach in water instruction and is of course something which I always encourage my ADI DL's to undertake. It is also of course one of the requirements needed to obtain your OWI ticket.

Regards

Hamish

[Edward]

Hi Chris,

Sorry about this but have to correct you. If you look at the IM, the instructor requirements detailed under ‘Introduction & Instructor Requirements, for Sports Diver state the following;



So as can be seen there is no difference in what either can teach between the ADI + DL and the AOWI (who of course is a DL).

The prime reason for undertaking the OWIC is to further your own understanding of how to teach in water instruction and is of course something which I always encourage my ADI DL's to undertake. It is also of course one of the requirements needed to obtain your OWI ticket.

Regards

Hamish

Don't forget to read the amendment for the DL instructor requirements , here (http://www.bsac.com/page.asp?section=2539&sectionTitle=Current+updates), see under "Instructor Manual Dive Leader Introduction p1".

Regards

Edward

[GaryC]

Don't forget to read the amendment for the DL instructor requirements , here (http://www.bsac.com/page.asp?section=2539&sectionTitle=Current+updates), see under "Instructor Manual Dive Leader Introduction p1".

Regards

Edward
That really is quite a step change for the ADI/DL.

Basically the ADI can not teach DL in Open Water anymore. It would be my guess that most Instructors/DOs are not aware of the differences made at 2008/12

Bit of a sneaky change then!

Gary

[Hamish]

That really is quite a step change for the ADI/DL.

Basically the ADI can not teach DL in Open Water anymore. It would be my guess that most Instructors/DOs are not aware of the differences made at 2008/12

Bit of a sneaky change then!

Gary

Thanks Edward,

Just as Gary was not aware I was not either. My fault as I should be continually checking updates, but, for something that was such a fundemental change to instructor requirements for DL by ADI + DL I would have expected it to have been highlighted and perhaps discussed. Perhaps it was and I missed it but I do try to read all of the notifications which come out of HQ.

Well at least this discussion has brought it to light and brought me up to date.:o

Hamish

[ash82]

ok so just for clarification:

DL + IFC can teach DL theory and dl dry practical skills under on-site supervision (i.e. not direct supervision) except DP1 and DP2

DL + OWIC can teach DL theory and practical under on-site supervision

??

[Hamish]

ok so just for clarification:

DL + IFC can teach DL theory and dl dry practical skills under on-site supervision (i.e. not direct supervision) except DP1 and DP2

DL + OWIC can teach DL theory and practical under on-site supervision

??

Ash,

Just for clarity I have laid it all out here;

Onsite supervision by OWI
Classroom lesson DT1 The Role of the Dive Leader
Classroom lesson DT2 Basic Life Support
Classroom lesson DT3 Oxygen and Diving Incidents
Classroom lesson DT4 Casualty Assessment
Classroom lesson DT5 Oxygen Administration Equipment
Classroom lesson DT6 Oxygen Administration in Practise
Classroom lesson DT7 Use of Oxygen Administration Equipment
Classroom lesson DT8 Dive Planning
Classroom lesson DT9 Rescue Management - Part 1
Classroom lesson DT10 Helicopter Operations
Classroom lesson DT11 Rescue Management - Part 2
Classroom lesson DT12 Dive Management

Onsite supervision by OWI
Open water lesson DO5 Rescue Management Scenarios (dry element only)
Open water lesson DO7 Rescue Skills Review (dry element only)

Under Direct supervision of an instructor who holds the minimum qualification of BSAC Advanced Instructor
Dry practical lesson DP1 Dive Management Part 1
Dry practical lesson DP2 Dive Management Part 2
Open water lesson DO1 DSMB Use
Open water lesson DO2 Dive Leading Demonstration
Open water lesson DO3 Dive Leading
Open water lesson DO4 Shot Recovery by Simple Lift
Open water lesson DO6 Diving and Rescue Skills Review

DL + OWIC requires only onsite supervision by a OWI for all sections.

I suspect that it requires an AI for in water supervision as it requires an ITS AI on the OWIC.:confused:

Hamish

[ash82]

Thanks for the clarification Hamish!

I have actually done my OWIC - but it was a few months ago and I couldn't remember what they said we could teach!

Ash

[Aidee Powell]

idid my OWIC 4yeas ago, and never got around to doing my pie, although i have also done my tie, so only need the pie,is there any one in the southwest as i am in torquay who could help with some preparation,i have signed up for the owic as a refresher but would prefer someone in the know showing me what is expected, AS with all smaller clubs the one i belong to would benefit greatly this year if i got it.Can anyone help?

[Aidee Powell]

:confused: Thanks for all your thoughts on the subject as i am doing my OWIC again in a few weeks i will ask what i can and cannot teach and ppost it on the forum so all can see/update, thanks again, Aidee.