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Hi
just came back from Bodrum in Turkey where I got the PADI Scuba Diver qualification (aka half PADI). It was my first time diving and it was a unique experience.
I didn't do the Open Water qualification because at this point I can't complete the 200m swim test (I've had some dry runs!).
Does anyone know if I can get some kind of credit for this from BSAC? Or should I complete the PADI Open Water (I've booked swimming lessons) and join BSAC afterwards...
thx
David
Nigel Hewitt
01-09-2004, 11:14
just came back from Bodrum in Turkey where I got the PADI Scuba Diver qualification.
Does anyone know if I can get some kind of credit for this from BSAC? Or should I complete the PADI Open Water (I've booked swimming lessons) and join BSAC afterwards...
The trouble with 'Scuba Diver' is that you didn't actually do very much. I'm almost all PADI trained at that level and I'm not sure many places teach that one in the UK as it doesn't get you far enough to let out on your own and in low vis you and your buddy are on your own.
If you are planing to join a club start visiting and meeting some now and find out what they have to offer and plan your further education from there. Find the right people and things work.
nigelH
Alan Taylor
01-09-2004, 11:27
Hi
just came back from Bodrum in Turkey where I got the PADI Scuba Diver qualification (aka half PADI). It was my first time diving and it was a unique experience.
I didn't do the Open Water qualification because at this point I can't complete the 200m swim test (I've had some dry runs!). Should that be 'wet runs'
Does anyone know if I can get some kind of credit for this from BSAC? Or should I complete the PADI Open Water (I've booked swimming lessons) and join BSAC afterwards...
thx
David
David get down to your nearest BSAC branch ASAP, i am sure that they will allow you to improve your swimming abilities during pool training sessions and at the same time enjoy all the benefits of BSAC and branch life, before you venture into the world of underwater swimming and exploration with the worlds Biggest diving Club.
It's a whole new world down there
Alan
Does anyone know if I can get some kind of credit for this from BSAC? Or should I complete the PADI Open Water (I've booked swimming lessons) and join BSAC afterwards...
I would complete the PADI course since you are already part way through and then join a BSAC branch. You will get your open water training completed far quicker and can then join a branch and be ready to go diving. If you join atm, then you will be starting from scratch again
Dave
Yes, I was actually thinking that myself (ie finish PADI OW and then join BSAC).
thx for everyone's advice.
DK
:=Does anyone know if I can get some kind of credit for this from BSAC? Or should I complete the PADI Open Water (I've booked swimming lessons) and join BSAC afterwards...
I would complete the PADI course since you are already part way through and then join a BSAC branch. You will get your open water training completed far quicker and can then join a branch and be ready to go diving. If you join atm, then you will be starting from scratch again
Dave
seaurchindivers
01-09-2004, 18:54
Yes, I was actually thinking that myself (ie finish PADI OW and then join BSAC).
thx for everyone's advice.
DK
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:=:=Does anyone know if I can get some kind of credit for this from BSAC? Or should I complete the PADI Open Water (I've booked swimming lessons) and join BSAC afterwards...
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:=I would complete the PADI course since you are already part way through and then join a BSAC branch. You will get your open water training completed far quicker and can then join a branch and be ready to go diving. If you join atm, then you will be starting from scratch again
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:=Dave
I agree with the advice above, worth considering completing your PADI open water diver certification, then consider joining a dive club that offer what you need, either it be a PADI club, SAA or BSAC club. its not the organisation so much as the divers and the type of diving they do. Not all clubs are the same, they offer different benefits.
Good luck!!
ps why not continue with your PADI courses, and join any club that suits you.
we are all divers!!!!!
Andy www.seaurchindivers.co.uk PADI/SAA and a BSAC diver.
Alan Taylor
02-09-2004, 16:38
:=Does anyone know if I can get some kind of credit for this from BSAC? Or should I complete the PADI Open Water (I've booked swimming lessons) and join BSAC afterwards...
I would complete the PADI course since you are already part way through and then join a BSAC branch. You will get your open water training completed far quicker and can then join a branch and be ready to go diving. If you join atm, then you will be starting from scratch again
Dave
Improve your swimming,(bring back the A test) then if you want to speed up your Sub-Aqua training and want to 'commercialise' go to a BSAC! school with a BSAC! branch attached to it do the BSAC! Ocean diver course. You do not have to be a BSAC member to go down this route.
Alan (just BSAC and CMAS)
Improve your swimming,(bring back the A test) then if you want to speed up your Sub-Aqua training and want to 'commercialise' go to a BSAC! school with a BSAC! branch attached to it do the BSAC! Ocean diver course. You do not have to be a BSAC member to go down this route.
I wouldn't go for this one. This is almost certainly going to be more expensive ( anywhere I have seen running the BSAC course has been noticeably more pricey). BSAC Ocean Diver and PADI OW both are Level 1 qualifications and if the person is thinking of joining a branch afterwards would both join at OD level. Also ( but I am not sure of this ) he may also get a lower price for the OW course already having paid for the Scuba Diver course
Dave
Alan Taylor
04-09-2004, 20:16
:=Improve your swimming,(bring back the A test) then if you want to speed up your Sub-Aqua training and want to 'commercialise' go to a BSAC! school with a BSAC! branch attached to it do the BSAC! Ocean diver course. You do not have to be a BSAC member to go down this route.
I wouldn't go for this one. This is almost certainly going to be more expensive ( anywhere I have seen running the BSAC course has been noticeably more pricey). BSAC Ocean Diver and PADI OW both are Level 1 qualifications and if the person is thinking of joining a branch afterwards would both join at OD level. Also ( but I am not sure of this ) he may also get a lower price for the OW course already having paid for the Scuba Diver course
Dave
Oh excuse me but i thought this was a BSAC forum to encourage the public to join and enjoy all the benefits of the BSAC. If this was a tesco forum would you suggest that one shops at ASDA sorry WAL-MART. Whats the point in BSAC HQ and branches organise come and try weeks etc.when the rest of the membership? is sending punters elsewhere.
Keep on Divin' BSAC
Alan
David Walker
04-09-2004, 23:37
Oh excuse me but i thought this was a BSAC forum to encourage the public to join and enjoy all the benefits of the BSAC. If this was a tesco forum would you suggest that one shops at ASDA sorry WAL-MART. Whats the point in BSAC HQ and branches organise come and try weeks etc.when the rest of the membership? is sending punters elsewhere.
Slightly skewed logic there I think - so you're saying that on this forum no one is allowed to discuss any benefits of any organisation other than BSAC, and simialrly can't mention any problems or disadvantages with BSAC? I think you'll find that any organisation likes to know where it may be able to improve, and if it finds that from its members recommending people to go elsewhere then so be it. Maybe someone at BSAC will read that and decide to change / improve the BSAC schools, maybe cut their prices, and so in the future people will be able to genuinely recommend BSAC schools.
If this forum was all strongly pro-BSAC in any piece of advice given then frankly I wouldn't bother reading it - the only people who would would be those who like to be encouraged that they are with the best.
If you want to be sheltered from what may or may not be the truth, or more simply from honest opinion, pull the plug from your modem... forever!
David
Oh excuse me but i thought this was a BSAC forum to encourage the public to join and enjoy all the benefits of the BSAC. If this was a tesco forum would you suggest that one shops at ASDA sorry WAL-MART. Whats the point in BSAC HQ and branches organise come and try weeks etc.when the rest of the membership? is sending punters elsewhere.
Keep on Divin' BSAC
Alan
Well I thought most of the dinosuars were extinct, but it seems
some are still bleating.
The days of recommending an organisation simply because we
belong to it are happily long gone. As the saying goes, we are
all divers. That's why those on this and other forums who are
populated by other agencies will spout what's best, even if it
means swaying them away from BSAC.
The original post IS a prime example. He has done Scuba diver
which is about half of a PADI OW course. Joining a BSAC club
would get him zilch/zero brownie points. No SALT crossover and
nothing more than a condescending nod before he is led off to
the shallow end with the novices.
Take the PADI route and in 2 days he completes his OW and if he
now joins BSAC is welcomed via SALT as an equivilent to OD.
Yes he gets a checkout (everybody does), but it still puts him
further ahead without alienating him from the start.
BTW bad analgy. If I go into Tesco and they havnt got what I
want, they will reccommend ASDA/Sainsburys etc. It's called
customer service. That's why they are the market leader.
Bit of a moral there I think.
TerryH
Keep on Divin' BSAC, PADI, TDI, CMAS, SAA, IANTD etc.etc.
Alan Taylor
05-09-2004, 11:01
:=
:=Oh excuse me but i thought this was a BSAC forum to encourage the public to join and enjoy all the benefits of the BSAC. If this was a tesco forum would you suggest that one shops at ASDA sorry WAL-MART. Whats the point in BSAC HQ and branches organise come and try weeks etc.when the rest of the membership? is sending punters elsewhere.
:=
:=Keep on Divin' BSAC
:=Alan
Well I thought most of the dinosuars were extinct, but it seems
some are still bleating.
The days of recommending an organisation simply because we
belong to it are happily long gone. As the saying goes, we are
all divers. That's why those on this and other forums who are
populated by other agencies will spout what's best, even if it
means swaying them away from BSAC.
The original post IS a prime example. He has done Scuba diver
which is about half of a PADI OW course. Joining a BSAC club
would get him zilch/zero brownie points. No SALT crossover and
nothing more than a condescending nod before he is led off to
the shallow end with the novices.
All you say is of course true,so we can welcome him back when the 'others' have also taught him to swim?
Take the PADI route and in 2 days he completes his OW and if he
now joins BSAC is welcomed via SALT as an equivilent to OD.
Yes he gets a checkout (everybody does), but it still puts him
further ahead without alienating him from the start.
BTW bad analgy. If I go into Tesco and they havnt got what I
want, they will reccommend ASDA/Sainsburys etc. It's called
customer service. That's why they are the market leader.
Bit of a moral there I think.
TerryH
Keep on Divin' BSAC, PADI, TDI, CMAS, SAA, IANTD etc.etc.
All you say is of course true,so we can welcome him back when the 'others' have also taught him to swim?
BSAC branches do not tend to be overflowing with trained swimming teachers. Wherever he does his basic OW training he will need to be able to swim. So, yes, some others will have taught him to swim and PADI finished his OW training for him.
The best way to go is to use available resources in the best manner. Blinkering to a BSAC only attitude is not a way to provide useful advice
Dave
Alan Taylor
06-09-2004, 17:45
:=All you say is of course true,so we can welcome him back when the 'others' have also taught him to swim?
BSAC branches do not tend to be overflowing with trained swimming teachers. Wherever he does his basic OW training he will need to be able to swim. So, yes, some others will have taught him to swim and PADI finished his OW training for him.
The best way to go is to use available resources in the best manner. Blinkering to a BSAC only attitude is not a way to provide useful advice
Dave
May i suggest that you take another look at the original post, PADI Scuba Diver passed, prerequisit for that course is to be able to swim 200mtr and tread water for 10min. Then the gent tells us he can't swim 200mtr. In my mind all he has really done is an extended try-dive,or someone is bending the rules(surely not for profit), I suggested that he went along to a BSAC branch join in and improve his swimming abiliies first, then do Ocean diver course somewhere. Over the years i have spent many hours with weak swimmers so they can get through swimming tests and yes some have gone on to take courses with 'others' If i seem biased towards BSAC i am, we as a club were 'teaching the world to dive' long before PADI set its stall out for world domination sorry mission statement 'to be world leader'. Why swell the wallets of Chief Executives of a private company when anything obtained through BSAC sources, branch or school goes into serving the CLUB and its members. My branch has BSAC,SAA, SSI, PADI etc members in it and we all dive and meet together weekly after we all understand each others hand signals etc. Yes i agree a diver is a diver some are just different to others, like whats a tide table etc.
Keep on Divin' BSAC
Alan
PS. Will be doing my A test again tonight for the 33rd time.
Dinosuar out
XXXX
Alan Taylor
06-09-2004, 20:41
:=
:=Oh excuse me but i thought this was a BSAC forum to encourage the public to join and enjoy all the benefits of the BSAC. If this was a tesco forum would you suggest that one shops at ASDA sorry WAL-MART. Whats the point in BSAC HQ and branches organise come and try weeks etc.when the rest of the membership? is sending punters elsewhere.
:=
:=Keep on Divin' BSAC
:=Alan
Well I thought most of the dinosuars were extinct, but it seems
some are still bleating.
The days of recommending an organisation simply because we
belong to it are happily long gone. As the saying goes, we are
all divers. That's why those on this and other forums who are
populated by other agencies will spout what's best, even if it
means swaying them away from BSAC.
The original post IS a prime example. He has done Scuba diver
which is about half of a PADI OW course.
There is no SALT he can ONLY dive with a PADI qualified or other proffesional instructor mind you that could mean HSE+ BSAC qualified pro, or would PADI not count that.
Joining a BSAC club
would get him zilch/zero brownie points. No SALT crossover and
nothing more than a condescending nod before he is led off to
the shallow end with the novices.
Take the PADI route and in 2 days he completes his OW and if he
now joins BSAC is welcomed via SALT as an equivilent to OD.
Yes he gets a checkout (everybody does), but it still puts him
further ahead without alienating him from the start.
BTW bad analgy. If I go into Tesco and they havnt got what I
want, they will reccommend ASDA/Sainsburys etc. It's called
customer service. That's why they are the market leader.
Bit of a moral there I think.
Tried that they didn't!
Alan
XXXXX
TerryH
Keep on Divin' BSAC, PADI, TDI, CMAS, SAA, IANTD etc.etc.
David Walker
07-09-2004, 00:39
There is no SALT he can ONLY dive with a PADI qualified or other proffesional instructor mind you that could mean HSE+ BSAC qualified pro, or would PADI not count that.
If you think about it, anyone could dive with a BSAC instructor, professional or not - ignore the fact that they might have done a PADI course, even an untrained diver can dive with a BSAC instructor, or in fact even a Dive Leader I think, although obviously the DL couldn't do any lessons.
David
Alan Taylor
07-09-2004, 11:31
:=There is no SALT he can ONLY dive with a PADI qualified or other proffesional instructor mind you that could mean HSE+ BSAC qualified pro, or would PADI not count that.
If you think about it, anyone could dive with a BSAC instructor, professional or not - ignore the fact that they might have done a PADI course, even an untrained diver can dive with a BSAC instructor, or in fact even a Dive Leader I think, although obviously the DL couldn't do any lessons.
David
True enough,if you want to go 'private'buy the kit from Loot, E-bay etc read the manual available at your local book shop,stick two fingers up and jump in problem solved. Been done before hasn't it. Mind you it does help if you can swim but i suppose if you cant there is the argument that it makes it easier to sink. PADI Scuba diver level convinced he can pay and only! dive with a proffesional instructor, can obtain air fills, guess were from can buy kit guess were from. Well i suppose the have to make a living eh? DL's have taught lessons for years under the supervision of NQI when all the ad's are knocking the props off things and the boats full or there Nav exs to be done, but thats another story. Good to talk in it.
By the way i did pass my A test again last night when i can't do it i'll pack in. Please don't all rush to tell me to do it now.
See you in Stoney tomorrow i'll be the one with the Jet Fins
Ta Ra
Alan
XXXX
Alan Taylor
07-09-2004, 11:33
:=There is no SALT he can ONLY dive with a PADI qualified or other proffesional instructor mind you that could mean HSE+ BSAC qualified pro, or would PADI not count that.
If you think about it, anyone could dive with a BSAC instructor, professional or not - ignore the fact that they might have done a PADI course, even an untrained diver can dive with a BSAC instructor, or in fact even a Dive Leader I think, although obviously the DL couldn't do any lessons.
David
True enough,if you want to go 'private'buy the kit from Loot, E-bay etc read the manual available at your local book shop,stick two fingers up and jump in problem solved. Been done before hasn't it. Mind you it does help if you can swim but i suppose if you cant there is the argument that it makes it easier to sink. PADI Scuba diver level convinced he can pay and only! dive with a proffesional instructor, can obtain air fills, guess were from can buy kit guess were from. Well i suppose the have to make a living eh? DL's have taught lessons for years under the supervision of NQI when all the ad's are knocking the props off things and the boats full or there Nav exs to be done, but thats another story. Good to talk in it.
By the way i did pass my A test again last night when i can't do it i'll pack in. Please don't all rush to tell me to do it now.
See you in Stoney tomorrow i'll be the one with the Jet Fins
Ta Ra
Alan
XXXX
David Walker
07-09-2004, 11:38
By the way i did pass my A test again last night when i can't do it i'll pack in. Please don't all rush to tell me to do it now.
What's an A test?
See you in Stoney tomorrow i'll be the one with the Jet Fins
Iwww - Stoney! I'll be back there soon :O(
David
Alan Taylor
08-09-2004, 18:09
:=By the way i did pass my A test again last night when i can't do it i'll pack in. Please don't all rush to tell me to do it now.
What's an A test?
Oh just a little splash in the pool i do every year, together with a medical it helps to confirm to me, my fitness to dive.
Alan
:=See you in Stoney tomorrow i'll be the one with the Jet Fins
Iwww - Stoney! I'll be back there soon :O(
David
iainmsmith
09-09-2004, 10:18
See you in Stoney tomorrow i'll be the one with the Jet Fins
Alan,
You do know that Jet Fins are the recommended fins of the most recent technical training agency to start in the UK? I trust yours are suitably scratched and battered so that no-one mistakes you for other than a long-qualified diver! :-)
Iain
May i suggest that you take another look at the original post, PADI Scuba Diver passed, prerequisit for that course is to be able to swim 200mtr and tread water for 10min. Then the gent tells us he can't swim 200mtr. In my mind all he has really done is an extended try-dive,or someone is bending the rules(surely not for profit), I suggested that he went along to a BSAC branch join in and improve his swimming abiliies first, then do Ocean diver course somewhere. Over the years i have spent many hours with weak swimmers so they can get through swimming tests and yes some have gone on to take courses with 'others' If i seem biased towards BSAC i am, we as a club were 'teaching the world to dive' long before PADI set its stall out for world domination sorry mission statement 'to be world leader'. Why swell the wallets of Chief Executives of a private company when anything obtained through BSAC sources, branch or school goes into serving the CLUB and its members. My branch has BSAC,SAA, SSI, PADI etc members in it and we all dive and meet together weekly after we all understand each others hand signals etc. Yes i agree a diver is a diver some are just different to others, like whats a tide table etc.
Keep on Divin' BSAC
Alan
PS. Will be doing my A test again tonight for the 33rd time.
Dinosuar out
XXXX
Sorry correction. Should have said blinkered dinosuar.
Let's say prior to a house move, I did a few months at a local
BSAC club and (ignoring standards) only managed half the
lectures and a couple of OW dives.
Would you now reccommend that I go and do a PADI OW course?
Nope. You'd say get along to a new BSAC club.
That would be what's right for this individual regardless of
agency.
Seems to me that you have a massive chip on your shoulder
concerning PADI and although you pay lip service to them, are
very much BSAC. Nothing wrong with loyalty to your agency etc,
but when it becomes the ONLY goal over what's best for your
fellow potential club members, you become the very BSAC
dinosaur that most of us have been willing to extincion.
BTW
Ditch the A test and do the timed PADI DM test instead!
You might find it a tad harder.
TerryH
Alan Taylor
11-09-2004, 15:04
:=See you in Stoney tomorrow i'll be the one with the Jet Fins
Alan,
You do know that Jet Fins are the recommended fins of the most recent technical training agency to start in the UK? I trust yours are suitably scratched and battered so that no-one mistakes you for other than a long-qualified diver! :-)
Iain
Well you don't say, mine are much modified with spring heels and i even have one with L on and one with R on to help me get them on the correct feet, once i even put them on upside down so i painted the bottoms white,that was a big help so now i just go round in circles instead of just backwards. Someone suggested i cut the string between them but how would i hang them up to dry. Ah Well
Ta Ra
Alan
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