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With the current debate as to whether the long hose method should be recognised by BSAC, the question is whether if you are, or will be seeking twinset or Tec training in the near future, will you still train with BSAC ?
micromouse
13-02-2010, 23:31
I will train with whoever suits my personal circumstances at the time I undertake the training.
As a nearly OD I am probably missing the point, but when I learnt to drive (car and bike) as opposed to dive, I was taught a proscribed method, and had to adhere to a certain standard in order to pass a 'standard' driving test. My bike instructor was an ex-uk motocross champion. Once I passed my test I then had the ability to change my driving to suit my personal preferences, probably within certian restrictions (speed etc). Double declutching, left foot braking, crossing arms over the wheel are all possible but not always advisable. I then undertook further bike training with the Met learning new techniques and experiences.
Even at the low level on the diving tree I can see merits in many ideas. I am beginining to form my own opinions, and over time will come to value some ideas, and ignore others, hopefully with guidence from many divers both older and younger, some with more experience, some with less.
MM
With the current debate as to whether the long hose method should be recognised by BSAC, the question is whether if you are, or will be seeking twinset or Tec training in the near future, will you still train with BSAC ?
Your questions are too closed for my liking. How about I disagree with BSAC but will continue to train with them, or I agree with BSAC but will still train with other agencies.
Since I am comfortable and confident in my current kit configuation, I have no choice but to seek training with another agency.
Having to to change the setup I have been diving for 3 years just for a course seems ridiculous to me.
Ron MacRae
14-02-2010, 08:52
Andy,
Also I think you are mis-representing the issue slightly.
1) The issue is not long hoses, it's HOG-LOOPED hoses. Bungeed long hoses appear to be OK.
2) The issue isn't with primary donate, it's with primary TAKE. We have to teach divers to go for the Octo reg but they will/should take whatever is presented to them.
Ron.
Where do I vote, "I am not interested"
Dave Whitlow
14-02-2010, 09:23
Where do I vote, "I am not interested"
If you are not interested then I suggest you don't vote and you ignore the thread.
Steve in Sharm
14-02-2010, 10:21
Your questions are too closed for my liking. How about I disagree with BSAC but will continue to train with them, or I agree with BSAC but will still train with other agencies.
Agreed,
I have just done my SMG Instr workshop and had to change my hoses to do so. TBH it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference to me where my hose is as I am comfortable in any configuration, but the choice would be good.
Steve
Nick Argue
14-02-2010, 10:47
<snip> How about I disagree with BSAC but will continue to train with them, <snip> .
That'd be my choice; I'll do SMG but may or may not revert to Hog depending on what I learn on the course.
Nigel Hewitt
14-02-2010, 11:46
Bit late for me to do tech or twinset but I'm looking forward to some more ticks/stickers in the QRB this year.
Actually I don't see a problem with choosing to do an outside tech course.
I did all mine that way and never felt I was turning my back on the old club.
but then...
I'm the heretic who thinks hog looping worked for me, well... when I used a twinset, and that 'Primary Take' is a skill that should at least be explained even though we shouldn't teach it as first recourse.
Already made the switch (IANTD) as BSAC limit to 50M on air and we needed a little deeper cert. That's no detriment to BSAC training. I think its superb.
It would make a difference now, but only because I have already trained and dive Hog Looped. It wouldnt have made a difference prior to doing the course(s) though. I only learnt how to HL via IANTD so if I had done the cert with BSAC I would be none the wiser?
If I would follow the BSAC instructor route because of it is a diffeent matter though ;)
Darren
If you are not interested then I suggest you don't vote and you ignore the thread.
But my opinion may represent a significant percentage of the members of this forum
If you are not interested then I suggest you don't vote and you ignore the thread.
Since there is an option for Fred to vote, his opinion is valid.
Where do I vote, "I am not interested"
The third option, "I am have no opinion on this matter." would seem to cover that - unless you're trying to vote that you have an opinion, but wish it not to be known...
Vic.
The third option, "I am have no opinion on this matter." would seem to cover that - unless you're trying to vote that you have an opinion, but wish it not to be known...
Vic.
Correct Vic, however due to the wording I missed the meaning.
Richard Whitcombe
14-02-2010, 17:25
Any further tech training i do will not be with BSAC. A few other reasons but hog loop the main one. They've put themselves out of alignment with every single other technical agency in the world with no obvious reasoning behind it and i have no wish to adopt a configuration i neither like nor will use after the course purely to satisfy the personal grudges of a few people high up in the agency.
But my opinion may represent a significant percentage of the members of this forum
I'm not sure what you're suggesting here. Are you saying that because the hog loop ruling does not effect the majority of divers it should not be debated?
I'm sure that there are plenty that are not interested. They can, however, choose not to read the thread.
I don't dive a pony and have no intention of doing so. I don't, however, suggest that it should not be debated here. I can choose to ignore such a thread or read it to keep myself informed as to why some divers choose this route. My choice.
Well how about this -
I am Chairman of a BSAC Club. We welcome divers from any agency and do not require a mandatory cross-over to a BSAC ticket to dive with us; you simply dive to the limit of your current qualification.
We have a number of instructors in the Club, From PADI to Tech agencies. We can teach everything from Ocean Diver / PADI Open Water to Trimix, all with instructors who are full paid up members of the Club but who also hold tickets to teach under another agency banner.
I have already seen a move from BSAC training to other agencies as the members decide they wish to dive a particular config or follow a particular, American agency's ideals....we, as a progressive, forward thinking Club welcome this diversity.
The bottom line is our members can continue to receive instruction to achieve their diving goals without "infringing" on BSAC's long hose policy, and rightly so.
Me? I don't have any BSAC qualification and now, I doubt I ever will.
northern_diver
14-02-2010, 21:31
I disagree with BSAC but will train with them and others.
John
Ian@1904
15-02-2010, 19:09
I think that once someone starts down the technical route: twinset, stages, rebreather then the choice of instructor becomes far more important than the agency.
Ian
Occasional hog loop user
I think that once someone starts down the technical route: twinset, stages, rebreather then the choice of instructor becomes far more important than the agency.
Ian
Occasional hog loop user
I agree Ian, but I would look for one who has a wide range of experience, added to that the instructors I have looked at aren't BSAC, wonder what that says.
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