View Full Version : lottery funding
congratulations to Medway sac on their lottery award of ?5000
well deserved and will be put to good use in training and equipment for the Branch .
Its windfalls like this and the hardwork of members and committee of branches that help keep branches ticking over.
Unless that is you are a Welsh member Branch, As a welsh branch of the BSAC to qualify for lottery funding you have to also subscribe membership to the Welsh assosiation of sub aqua clubs (w.a.s.a.c.) so thats 2 lots of subscriptions , not a problem but for over a year there has been no contact with (w.a.s.a.c.) no subscriptions taken no correspondance so as a welsh club we are left with no governing body because even though we pay our cons to BSAC they will not accept us or represent us , due to a dispute over wording of a document between w.a.s.a.c. and sports council Wales no Welsh club has recieved lottery funding for nearly 3 years .
We are suffering because of this so hq please help us resolve this , we do not want special treatment all we want is parity with English clubs and S.A.A. CLUBS.
We have tried to resolve this with no success in the meantime numbers within clubs are dropping and this will progressivly get worse perhaps it will only be then that BSAC will intervine in this situation.
There are no member clubs so as an organisation wasac does not exist where,s the problem?
last month we were voting for new committee members for bsac so now prove your worth and at least accept there is a problem get your heads out of the sand pit and act !!!!
Keith Lawrence(BSAC)
16-06-2004, 23:19
The first thing that I would like to point out is that lottery funding is not essential to the running of a club, neither is it a right. It is also becoming increasingly difficult to obtain. Please don?t use it as an excuse, numerous clubs manage and thrive without it.
Despite the various attributes of Council members the one that we all lack is telepathy. In my years on Council I do not recall seeing any mention of these problems in the reams of paper that has come my way. Could that possibly be because nobody has ever written it down, explained things, asked for some help with some specific suggestions?
Your Council or HQ would be delighted to help you with any problems that you have but we need to know about them, know the background, understand the issues ? THEN we may be able to act!
What I suggest that you do is get together with those Welsh clubs that you have contact with, involve your regional coach, put together a paper and submit that to Council and HQ. Let us know what you?ve tried, let us know what the issues are, let us have some suggestions for a solution ? give us something to work with and we?ll work with you towards a solution. We can?t do it for you with no background and information. You know a damn sight more about this issue than us, so at least give us that chance to help before you start accusing people of having their heads in the sand.
HTH
Keith Lawrence
BSAC Council Member
The first thing that I would like to point out is that lottery funding is not essential to the running of a club, neither is it a right. It is also becoming increasingly difficult to obtain. Please don?t use it as an excuse, numerous clubs manage and thrive without it.
Despite the various attributes of Council members the one that we all lack is telepathy. In my years on Council I do not recall seeing any mention of these problems in the reams of paper that has come my way. Could that possibly be because nobody has ever written it down, explained things, asked for some help with some specific suggestions?
Keith
I do not accept some of your comments and believe as a committee member you should be aware of this situation it has been brought to the attention of hq some time ago
I will respond to you personally and not though the forum
cheers
Phill
Your Council or HQ would be delighted to help you with any problems that you have but we need to know about them, know the background, understand the issues ? THEN we may be able to act!
What I suggest that you do is get together with those Welsh clubs that you have contact with, involve your regional coach, put together a paper and submit that to Council and HQ. Let us know what you?ve tried, let us know what the issues are, let us have some suggestions for a solution ? give us something to work with and we?ll work with you towards a solution. We can?t do it for you with no background and information. You know a damn sight more about this issue than us, so at least give us that chance to help before you start accusing people of having their heads in the sand.
HTH
Keith Lawrence
BSAC Council Member
Keith Lawrence(BSAC)
17-06-2004, 09:06
Keith
I do not accept some of your comments and believe as a committee member you should be aware of this situation it has been brought to the attention of hq some time ago
I will respond to you personally and not though the forum
cheers
Phill
My apologies Phill, having read your private response and also one from our chairman it would appear that HQ/Council have been made aware of the issues, it has been mentioned in a Chairman?s Report to Council that I did not recall. What I took exception to in your original post was the inference that we were ignoring you, we are not.
From correspondence that I have now seen Phil Harrison has indeed been trying to assist you, at present there seems nothing that HQ/Council can do instantly so it has not become a full Council issue. We certainly haven?t got our ?heads in the sand? over this, it?s not us that is blocking anything, we would dearly like it to be resolved.
So, let?s all work together to try and resolve things, that?s the way that the club works.
Kind Regards
Keith L
The first thing that I would like to point out is that lottery funding is not essential to the running of a club
Correct but has the BSAC not had its own share of funding in the past
neither is it a right. It is also becoming increasingly difficult to obtain.
Unless you are a Welsh club when it is impossibe as to qualify you need a Governing body and we do not have an active on in Wales
Please don?t use it as an excuse, numerous clubs manage and thrive without it.
I dont think Phill is using it as an excuse. His club has managed for years without grant aid but his concerns are other clubs that may need a lift up and his main concern is the lack of a Governing body in Wales
Despite the various attributes of Council members the one that we all lack is telepathy. In my years on Council I do not recall seeing any mention of these problems in the reams of paper that has come my way.
If you had bothered to read the policy statements of the prospective candidates at the recent council elections you would have been aware of the situation
Could that possibly be because nobody has ever written it down, explained things, asked for some help with some specific suggestions?
I have spoken to BSAC Chairman on this matter several times. No Result
Your Council or HQ would be delighted to help you with any problems that you have but we need to know about them, know the background, understand the issues ? THEN we may be able to act
Fact is BSAC headquarters are fully aware of the situation but have choosen not to act
What I suggest that you do is get together with those Welsh clubs that you have contact with, involve your regional coach, put together a paper and submit that to Council and HQ. Let us know what you?ve tried.let us know what the issues are, let us have some suggestions for a solution ? give us something to work with and we?ll work with you towards a solution. We can?t do it for you with no background and information.
You or at least some of you know
You know a damn sight more about this issue than us, so at least give us that chance to help before you start accusing people of having their heads in the sand.
Had the chance then put your heads back in the sand
MarkA
:=Keith
:=I do not accept some of your comments and believe as a committee member you should be aware of this situation it has been brought to the attention of hq some time ago
:=I will respond to you personally and not though the forum
:=cheers
:=Phill
My apologies Phill, having read your private response and also one from our chairman it would appear that HQ/Council have been made aware of the issues, it has been mentioned in a Chairman?s Report to Council that I did not recall. What I took exception to in your original post was the inference that we were ignoring you, we are not.
From correspondence that I have now seen Phil Harrison has indeed been trying to assist you, at present there seems nothing that HQ/Council can do instantly so it has not become a full Council issue. We certainly haven?t got our ?heads in the sand? over this, it?s not us that is blocking anything, we would dearly like it to be resolved.
So, let?s all work together to try and resolve things, that?s the way that the club works.
Keith
We would love to work with someone and sort these problems out but no one wants to help us, if you check again with Phil Harrison you will find that the BSAC intend to do no more about this situation and as it stands Wales are still left without a governing body. Which is all the more of a concern as the blackspot for accidents in the UK is currently in North Wales and if a governing body was in place within the pricipality then more help could perhaps be made available to eleviate some of the problems there
Keith Lawrence(BSAC)
17-06-2004, 17:21
Had the chance then put your heads back in the sand
Please withdraw that remark Mark.
The situation was fully expalined to you by our Chairman, ways forward were suggested, as you should be fully aware the issue is with Sport Wales and WASAC and not with the BSAC. Please do not make accusations like that when people HAVE been trying to help you.
Keith L
p.s. I was personally not aware of the issue at a Council level as it was being dealt with by the External Relations team by the Chairman personally and only reported in summary note form to Council. I was aware of the issue from your election comments, I did not know the stage it was at within the BSAC.
Keith Lawrence(BSAC)
17-06-2004, 17:34
Keith
We would love to work with someone and sort these problems out but no one wants to help us, if you check again with Phil Harrison you will find that the BSAC intend to do no more about this situation and as it stands Wales are still left without a governing body. Which is all the more of a concern as the blackspot for accidents in the UK is currently in North Wales and if a governing body was in place within the pricipality then more help could perhaps be made available to eleviate some of the problems there
Dear Mark
I have not spoken to Phil personally about this although I have seen some correspondence dated 18th May that does explain the situation, suggests ways foreward and offers to put you in contact with the appropriate people. This area is well outside of my remit and understanding, you have already been dealing with the expert on such matters, Phil Harrison, who has contacted people on your behalf and tried to help you.
What I objected to in this thread was the inferrence that the BSAC had done nothing and was ignoring you, that is NOT the case from the evidence that I have seen.
Keith L
:=Keith
:=We would love to work with someone and sort these problems out but no one wants to help us, if you check again with Phil Harrison you will find that the BSAC intend to do no more about this situation and as it stands Wales are still left without a governing body. Which is all the more of a concern as the blackspot for accidents in the UK is currently in North Wales and if a governing body was in place within the pricipality then more help could perhaps be made available to eleviate some of the problems there
Dear Mark
I have not spoken to Phil personally about this although I have seen some correspondence dated 18th May that does explain the situation, suggests ways foreward and offers to put you in contact with the appropriate people. This area is well outside of my remit and understanding, you have already been dealing with the expert on such matters, Phil Harrison, who has contacted people on your behalf and tried to help you.
What I objected to in this thread was the inferrence that the BSAC had done nothing
Keith
It Hasn't
and was ignoring you, that is NOT the case from the evidence that I have seen.
Keith L
Not at first anyway
Cheers
Mark
Keith Lawrence(BSAC)
17-06-2004, 18:52
:=What I objected to in this thread was the inferrence that the BSAC had done nothing
It Hasn't
and was ignoring you, that is NOT the case from the evidence that I have seen.
Not at first anyway
Cheers
Mark
Thanks Mark, from what I've seen I was sure we had been trying to help. If things seem to have got "stuck" then let's try to unstick them and move this foreward. If you think that there is more that the BSAC can do then I'm sure that Phil will be able to advise as he has been doing.
Regards
Keith L
:=Had the chance then put your heads back in the sand
Please withdraw that remark Mark.
Sorry I can't withdraw that remark I have called it like I see it
The situation was fully expalined to you by our Chairman, ways forward were suggested, as you should be fully aware the issue is with Sport Wales and WASAC and not with the BSAC. Please do not make accusations like that when people HAVE been trying to help you.
Keith L
p.s. I was personally not aware of the issue at a Council level as it was being dealt with by the External Relations team by the Chairman personally and only reported in summary note form to Council. I was aware of the issue from your election comments, I did not know the stage it was at within the BSAC.
Keith not to be to picky but who are Sport Wales that you and the chairman keep refering to. If you have looked at this or any other matter concerning Wales you would know that the government body concerned is the Sports Council for Wales.
Yes the situation was explained to me but only as it is percieved not the facts. The facts are that wales does not have a governing body for the sport as WASAC no longer exists despite the Chairmans insistance that it does. I was promised that contact would be made with me to discuss this, it never happened
Keith
I do not want to have a slagging match with you or any one else on this forum or any other. I also do not want to alienate people like your self and the Chairman but after three years of frustration and banging our heads against the wall we have found that for people to listen you have to speak as you feel. Want Phill A and myself want is not to argue with anyone but for diving to become safer and progress within the Principality. for this to have a chance of happening we need a Governing body which we do not have at present. This would then benifit not only Welsh clubs but the sport as a whole. As BSAC members we feel that as BSAC has the resourses(paid for in part by Welsh members)and the money that it could offer us help. We can't help get the opinion that whenever this subject crops up we are only paid lip service. Keith please prove us wrong and help get this matter sorted.
As I have said I do not want an arguement but I will have one if necessary to put our point across.
If you do not want do discuss this on a general forum please contact me personally
Sorry about the retraction but no can do
Cheers
Mark
Keith Lawrence(BSAC)
17-06-2004, 19:19
If you do not want do discuss this on a general forum please contact me personally
OK Mark, Sport Wales = Sports Council For Wales of course. Feel free to give me a buzz, Phill has my number, ping me an email if you want it. Not sure I can help, not my area, but if you think that another mind on it from an outside perspective will help the please feel free to talk it over.
Keith L
David Walker
17-06-2004, 23:18
Yes the situation was explained to me but only as it is percieved not the facts. The facts are that wales does not have a governing body for the sport as WASAC no longer exists despite the Chairmans insistance that it does. I was promised that contact would be made with me to discuss this, it never happened
In reality, i'm fairly sure BSAC (or any other national governing body) doesn't have the ability to just declare itself the governing body for another country on its own - it needs to be appointed by in this case I assume Sport Wales, which is why the issue is being referred them by the sounds of it. I don't know much about it (this is the first i've heard) but from the sound of it you seem to be wanting something from BSAC that they aren't responsible for, or even capable of, providing.
David
:=Yes the situation was explained to me but only as it is percieved not the facts. The facts are that wales does not have a governing body for the sport as WASAC no longer exists despite the Chairmans insistance that it does. I was promised that contact would be made with me to discuss this, it never happened
In reality, i'm fairly sure BSAC (or any other national governing body) doesn't have the ability to just declare itself the governing body for another country on its own - it needs to be appointed by in this case I assume Sport Wales, which is why the issue is being referred them by the sounds of it. I don't know much about it (this is the first i've heard) but from the sound of it you seem to be wanting something from BSAC that they aren't responsible for, or even capable of, providing.
David
David
Who on earth are Sport Wales ?????????????
ken twat
18-06-2004, 17:19
Where is Wales
Is it that poor place on the left hand side of the UK
I thought only two people lived there
Tom Jones and Shirley Bassey
Before you Censor this one Keith i'm not serious and no one has been offended
We welsh may winge about grant aid and WASAC but we don't take ourselves to seriously
[But you're not helping Ken... OK, I'll let it go, but if anybody does complain then it goes again : KL]
David Walker
18-06-2004, 19:23
Who on earth are Sport Wales ?????????????
As Keith said, "Sport Wales = Sports Council For Wales" - I was basing it on that. In any case it doesn't matter who they are, the point being that a governing body for a sport in one country can't just decide to make itself that in another.
David
:=Who on earth are Sport Wales ?????????????
As Keith said, "Sport Wales = Sports Council For Wales" - I was basing it on that. In any case it doesn't matter who they are, the point being that a governing body for a sport in one country can't just decide to make itself that in another.
David
David
Read what is written this forum and you will see that you are the first person to suggest that
All the best
Mark
Where is Wales
Is it that poor place on the left hand side of the UK
I thought only two people lived there
Tom Jones and Shirley Bassey
Before you Censor this one Keith i'm not serious and no one has been offended
We welsh may winge about grant aid and WASAC but we don't take ourselves to seriously
[But you're not helping Ken... OK, I'll let it go, but if anybody does complain then it goes again : KL]
Ken
Shirley and Tom moved out a long time ago
Something to do with a lack of governing body I think
ken twat
21-06-2004, 17:45
:=Where is Wales
:=
:=Is it that poor place on the left hand side of the UK
:=
:=I thought only two people lived there
:=Tom Jones and Shirley Bassey
:=
:=
:=Before you Censor this one Keith i'm not serious and no one has been offended
:=We welsh may winge about grant aid and WASAC but we don't take ourselves to seriously
:=
:=[But you're not helping Ken... OK, I'll let it go, but if anybody does complain then it goes again : KL]
Ken
Shirley and Tom moved out a long time ago
Something to do with a lack of governing body I think
Yes but they still come back on the weekends to go diving
congratulations to Medway sac on their lottery award of ?5000
well deserved and will be put to good use in training and equipment for the Branch .
Its windfalls like this and the hardwork of members and committee of branches that help keep branches ticking over.
Unless that is you are a Welsh member Branch, As a welsh branch of the BSAC to qualify for lottery funding you have to also subscribe membership to the Welsh assosiation of sub aqua clubs (w.a.s.a.c.) so thats 2 lots of subscriptions , not a problem but for over a year there has been no contact with (w.a.s.a.c.) no subscriptions taken no correspondance so as a welsh club we are left with no governing body because even though we pay our cons to BSAC they will not accept us or represent us , due to a dispute over wording of a document between w.a.s.a.c. and sports council Wales no Welsh club has recieved lottery funding for nearly 3 years .
We are suffering because of this so hq please help us resolve this , we do not want special treatment all we want is parity with English clubs and S.A.A. CLUBS.
We have tried to resolve this with no success in the meantime numbers within clubs are dropping and this will progressivly get worse perhaps it will only be then that BSAC will intervine in this situation.
There are no member clubs so as an organisation wasac does not exist where,s the problem?
last month we were voting for new committee members for bsac so now prove your worth and at least accept there is a problem get your heads out of the sand pit and act !!!!
vBulletin v3.5.4, Copyright ©2000-2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.