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Ian Wigg
21-09-2003, 15:58
Does anyone know if there any basic nitrox courses being run in the south of England over the next month or so?
Ta
Ian
Paul Oliver
21-09-2003, 17:15
Ian
You might as well do the Combined event:-
<a href="http://www.bsac.org/events/poe2003cnc.htm" >http://www.bsac.org/events/poe2003cnc.htm</a>
One in Mid Oct in the SE (Prob Orpington), practicals in Wreysbury?
Regards
Paul
Ian Wigg
21-09-2003, 18:04
I'd love to but I'm only qualified to Club diver so I can't.
Ian
Ian
You might as well do the Combined event:-
http://www.bsac.org/events/poe2003cnc.htm
One in Mid Oct in the SE (Prob Orpington), practicals in Wreysbury?
Regards
Paul
Ian Wigg
21-09-2003, 18:06
I'd love to but I'm only qualified to Club diver so I can't.
Ian
Ian
You might as well do the Combined event:-
http://www.bsac.org/events/poe2003cnc.htm
One in Mid Oct in the SE (Prob Orpington), practicals in Wreysbury?
Regards
Paul
I'd love to but I'm only qualified to Club diver so I can't.
Ian
I believe St Albans Sub Aqua Club has a Basic Nitrox course organized for October 18th. I'm not sure whether they take non-club members, but it's down as a Regional SDC, so I guess they would. I'm going to phone them tomorrow and find out.
cheers
Rich
:=Ian
:=
:=You might as well do the Combined event:-
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:= http://www.bsac.org/events/poe2003cnc.htm
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:=One in Mid Oct in the SE (Prob Orpington), practicals in Wreysbury?
:=
:=Regards
:=
:=Paul
nick kay
21-09-2003, 21:11
Doesn't matter that you're only Club Diver...
Do the Advanced/Combined course and don't do the practical. That way, as soon as you become SD you can do the practical and you're Advanced Nitrox.
If you take the Basic Nitrox, then you have to do the theory all over again AND pay for the pleasure of doing it...
Does anyone know if there any basic nitrox courses being run in the south of England over the next month or so?
Ta
Ian
is it worth your while looking into doing it Tdi, is this recognised by Bsac? Any half decent outfit will do it for about ?90.
Matt
John Williams
22-09-2003, 16:31
Doesn't matter that you're only Club Diver...
Do the Advanced/Combined course and don't do the practical. That way, as soon as you become SD you can do the practical and you're Advanced Nitrox.
If you take the Basic Nitrox, then you have to do the theory all over again AND pay for the pleasure of doing it...
This is simply not allowed Nick.
You cannot sign up for Advanced Nitrox unless you are a Sports Diver...and you cannot have the badge/card awarded until you have successfully completed the prractical....so doing just the theory gains you nothing.
In the past I have allowed those signed up for the Basic Nitrox Award to sit in on Advanced Theory lectures (explaining which bits are "advanced" to them) and awarded the Basic Badge.
John
nick kay
22-09-2003, 21:55
John
I think we're in agreement... A CD can't do the practical for Advanced Nitrox: AFAIK the reasons are:
1. They're not allowed to do deco
2. The probability is that their buoyancy isn't up to the reqd std
I've had a number of CDs do the Combined course, complete the theory & test, then been submitted for Basic Nitrox.
Once they'd completed SD - which was admittedly not a long time later, they completed the practical and were OK'd for the Advanced by HQ.
They were in fact awarded the Basic Qcard and later the Advanced Qcard
Chris Cherrington
23-09-2003, 10:42
is it worth your while looking into doing it Tdi, is this recognised by Bsac? Any half decent outfit will do it for about ?90.
Matt
I believe BSAC recognise the TDI course if you do it whilst a member although there is confusion about this. BSAC do recognise it if you do it before you join BSAC (wierd eh?).
The TDI course teaches equivalent air depth, BSAC do not. Basic EAN is easy enough and everyone should do it. Air is bad news...
Suggest you check with your TO and if they accept the TDI course go do it. You will not get the BSAC88 Nitrox tables though so maybe a computer...
Someone now please persuade HQ to do a basic Trimix course please.
Chris
Adrian Kelland
23-09-2003, 10:57
Someone now please persuade HQ to do a basic Trimix course please.
Chris
Or even better, persuade HQ to accept other training agency qualifications in their own right. SDP to be modified to allow 100% deco if you have been suitably trained for instance. You would still be diving within your training.
Adrian
I believe BSAC recognise the TDI course if you do it whilst a member although there is confusion about this. BSAC do recognise it if you do it before you join BSAC (wierd eh?).
The TDI course teaches equivalent air depth, BSAC do not. Basic EAN is easy enough and everyone should do it. Air is bad news...
BSAC recognise TDI Basic Nitrox whenever you do it. The only qualifications which are limited to time of joining BSAC is the crossing over of diver grade.
I would recommend doing the TDI Basic Nitrox rather than the BSAC Basic since the TDI qualification will certify for use of all mixes from 22-40% for no-deco dives whilst the BSAC course qualifies to use only mixes 32% and 36%.
Until you decide to invest in O2 regulators for use with rich mixtures for decompression, the TDI Basic Nitrox course covers all that you want and can be done in an evening ( since it's a theory only course )
Dave
I believe BSAC recognise the TDI course if you do it whilst a member although there is confusion about this. BSAC do recognise it if you do it before you join BSAC (wierd eh?).
The TDI course teaches equivalent air depth, BSAC do not. Basic EAN is easy enough and everyone should do it. Air is bad news...
BSAC recognise TDI Basic Nitrox whenever you do it. The only qualifications which are limited to time of joining BSAC is the crossing over of diver grade.
I would recommend doing the TDI Basic Nitrox rather than the BSAC Basic since the TDI qualification will certify for use of all mixes from 22-40% for no-deco dives whilst the BSAC course qualifies to use only mixes 32% and 36%.
Until you decide to invest in O2 regulators for use with rich mixtures for decompression, the TDI Basic Nitrox course covers all that you want and can be done in an evening ( since it's a theory only course )
Dave
Someone now please persuade HQ to do a basic Trimix course please.
No, please lets not
Chris Cherrington
23-09-2003, 13:03
:=Someone now please persuade HQ to do a basic Trimix course please.
No, please lets not
Ahh ... The other posts tell me that BSAC accepts other agencies even after you join so lets do the the IANTD Trimix then...
:=:=Someone now please persuade HQ to do a basic Trimix course please.
:=
:=No, please lets not
Ahh ... The other posts tell me that BSAC accepts other agencies even after you join so lets do the the IANTD Trimix then...
Perfect answer, unfortunately we don't accept ALL of the IANTD/TDI/GUE/etc trimix course
Ian WIgg
23-09-2003, 13:46
Hi
Thanks for all the advice guys. No just a matter of deciding which way to go.
Ian
Tony Dwyer
23-09-2003, 15:37
:=
:=is it worth your while looking into doing it Tdi, is this recognised by Bsac? Any half decent outfit will do it for about ?90.
:=
:=Matt
I believe BSAC recognise the TDI course if you do it whilst a member although there is confusion about this. BSAC do recognise it if you do it before you join BSAC (wierd eh?).
The TDI course teaches equivalent air depth, BSAC do not. Basic EAN is easy enough and everyone should do it. Air is bad news...
Suggest you check with your TO and if they accept the TDI course go do it. You will not get the BSAC88 Nitrox tables though so maybe a computer...
Someone now please persuade HQ to do a basic Trimix course please.
Chris
How about a PADI Enriched Air Diver Course. Roughly similar to BSAC Basic Nitrox, except that it does include EAD's and mixes from 22% to 40%. Doesn't include deco though.
Lectures sessions, self study, a practical bit about fills and 2 dives. Then Bob's yer realtive, you can have Nitrox.
Ian Wigg
23-09-2003, 16:21
Having had a quick phone round I'm going to do the TDI Nitrox course @ Wraysbury- prob next week. ?75.00 all in.
Mind you, being as it's in Wraysbury perhaps they ought to combine it with a sonar course. Last time I was there the only reason I knew that there was a container was because I head butted it!!
Ian
Tony Dwyer
23-09-2003, 16:43
Having had a quick phone round I'm going to do the TDI Nitrox course @ Wraysbury- prob next week. ?75.00 all in.
Mind you, being as it's in Wraysbury perhaps they ought to combine it with a sonar course. Last time I was there the only reason I knew that there was a container was because I head butted it!!
Ian
Best of luck! Take a Braille computer with you (tongue firmly in cheek!)
nick kay
23-09-2003, 17:00
Or, do the TDI Basic Trimix course with Jack Ingle. BSAC recognises the course AND its been taught by the BSAC chief examiner (AFAIK) for Nitrox/tech stuff...
Mike Halligan
23-09-2003, 17:05
How about a PADI Enriched Air Diver Course. Roughly similar to BSAC Basic Nitrox, except that it does include EAD's and mixes from 22% to 40%. Doesn't include deco though.
Lectures sessions, self study, a practical bit about fills and 2 dives. Then Bob's yer realtive, you can have Nitrox.
That's the one I did, during a liveaboard exped, for ?70 - including share of a week's O2 and RDP/manual. It is excellent, in design, content, written and verbal explanation, materials and (in this case) delivery. (Given PADI's QA mechanisms, I would hope few will experience anything different.)
Afterwards, having done PADI only because BSAC was unable to fit my schedule, I contemplated BSAC Advanced Nitrox as an option for later study. Then I found out what would be the cost. I had been allowed to buy the notes and tables in advance, without comment made. Now, I'm told I will have to buy them again and cannot merely present the ones I already have, should I elect to do a BSAC Advanced course!
The attitude appears to be that I should be grateful BSAC is willing to recognise my PADI EANx. Guess what? I will be following the TDI advanced route, but only when I get that round tuit I'm still seeking.
Mike
:=Having had a quick phone round I'm going to do the TDI Nitrox course @ Wraysbury- prob next week. ?75.00 all in.
:=
:=Mind you, being as it's in Wraysbury perhaps they ought to combine it with a sonar course. Last time I was there the only reason I knew that there was a container was because I head butted it!!
:=
:=Ian
Best of luck! Take a Braille computer with you (tongue firmly in cheek!)
Jammy sod you get to do Nitrox and Navigation and Night dive all in one day.
Hope it goes well.
I did my Nitrox with Tdi, took about 2 weeks for the cards/certs to come through, no photo required.
Matt
Having had a quick phone round I'm going to do the TDI Nitrox course @ Wraysbury- prob next week. ?75.00 all in.
Mind you, being as it's in Wraysbury perhaps they ought to combine it with a sonar course. Last time I was there the only reason I knew that there was a container was because I head butted it!!
I wouldn't worry about the visibility unless it's v foggy. The TDI basic nitrox course doesn't involve any diving
Dave
:=How about a PADI Enriched Air Diver Course. Roughly similar to BSAC Basic Nitrox, except that it does include EAD's and mixes from 22% to 40%. Doesn't include deco though.
:=Lectures sessions, self study, a practical bit about fills and 2 dives. Then Bob's yer realtive, you can have Nitrox.
That's the one I did, during a liveaboard exped, for ?70 - including share of a week's O2 and RDP/manual. It is excellent, in design, content, written and verbal explanation, materials and (in this case) delivery. (Given PADI's QA mechanisms, I would hope few will experience anything different.)
Afterwards, having done PADI only because BSAC was unable to fit my schedule, I contemplated BSAC Advanced Nitrox as an option for later study. Then I found out what would be the cost. I had been allowed to buy the notes and tables in advance, without comment made. Now, I'm told I will have to buy them again and cannot merely present the ones I already have, should I elect to do a BSAC Advanced course!
The attitude appears to be that I should be grateful BSAC is willing to recognise my PADI EANx. Guess what? I will be following the TDI advanced route, but only when I get that round tuit I'm still seeking.
Hi Mike
It is bad enough that people are forced to buy the tables but the problems do not stop there. We have had a couple of guys who used the BSAC tables for planning and were highly surprised when their Nx computers demanded far more deco.
Six out of seven of our members who attended Combined Nx in the Spring has now dumped the BSAC tables. I have frequently been asked to explain EADs and my Buhlmann tables are leant out as often as my analyser.
As one guy put it "Why were we not told about this on the course?" for which I have no good answer.
Regards
Matt
mike halligan
24-09-2003, 15:45
Matt,
So the answer is really "Phew! Lucky I only spent money fruitlessly on tables and student notes.". Sweet!
Mike
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