Let's hear it for little wings

[richie]

Hi

Well done to John Kendall for giving single-tank wings (among other things) a well-deserved mention in his letter to DIVE mag.
I was going to do it myself, but seeing as every time I write in the editorial staff creatively interpret my address as being variously London, Lancashire or Oxfordshire, I thought I should leave it to someone less residentially wayward. :-)

Has anyone tried the new double-bag halcyon single-tank wing? Or indeed any other makes?

cheers

R

[John Bantin]

Has anyone tried the new double-bag halcyon single-tank wing? Or indeed any other makes?


Yes but you will have to read about it in Diver Magazine.

[TerryH]

Well done to John Kendall for giving single-tank wings (among other things) a well-deserved mention in his letter to DIVE mag.
I was going to do it myself, but seeing as every time I write in the editorial staff creatively interpret my address as being variously London, Lancashire or Oxfordshire, I thought I should leave it to someone less residentially wayward. :-)

Has anyone tried the new double-bag halcyon single-tank wing? Or indeed any other makes?



Err what's a single tank wing? I dive a Zeagle which takes
everything from a single 10 to twin 12's. Unless I need to max
out on gas it has a single 12 stuck on it. Works fine.

But while we are on the subject. Nice to see the reply to
Robin Eccles duff statment on wings. He should be up for the
most opinionated rubbish in print award (if there was one).

And

95% of readers agree with Howards letter on the flawed plan (the other 5% are on holiday). Novice hanging on outside while
the senior diver went for a rummage. I just: a) Cant imagine
such a plan even being considered. b) Amazed that the author
skated over that fact and came to a different conclusion.

Muppet of the year or maybe worst Dive Marshalling Decison
award?

If I was a cynical bloke (no surely not), I might think that
Dive were trying a Troll.

Rgds
TerryH

[nick kay]

I'm goung to stick my head above the parapet & will probably get slated/moaned at by people at the club, but:
1. I know the person who wrote the "it happened to me" & its therefore not a Dive "troll"
2. She's been widely slated as most people believe she wasn't condemning what happened & most people seem to have taken the "moral of the story" as something different to what she meant
3. Yes, the fact she was left was wrong, etc. etc.
4. From what I know/understand, the point she was making was that each diver should be self sufficient/self reliant and shouldn't be reliant on their buddy...

So guys, cut her some slack.

And, if there are any of the local regional team among the condemners, then I sense a Withernsea based "it happened to us" in the making...

[TerryH]

I'm goung to stick my head above the parapet & will probably get slated/moaned at by people at the club, but:
1. I know the person who wrote the "it happened to me" & its therefore not a Dive "troll"
2. She's been widely slated as most people believe she wasn't condemning what happened & most people seem to have taken the "moral of the story" as something different to what she meant
3. Yes, the fact she was left was wrong, etc. etc.
4. From what I know/understand, the point she was making was that each diver should be self sufficient/self reliant and shouldn't be reliant on their buddy...

So guys, cut her some slack.

And, if there are any of the local regional team among the condemners, then I sense a Withernsea based "it happened to us" in the making...

Sorry, but that dog dont bite.
The "moral" of the story is that the Dive Marshal and the
advanced diver were criminally inept at making such a plan in
the first place.

Yet again this fact is skated over in favor of "each diver must
be self sufficient". Absolutley right if you dive with a bunch
of muppets that put you in such situations!

It is blindingly obvious to the world and his wife that if you
are left alone than you must be self-sufficient. So logic would
say, dont get left alone. Yes it may happen accidentally and
yes, better to be prepared, but this wasnt accidental, they
MEANT to do it.

A little while back there was a very good article in one of the
mags about the conclusions drawn by these incidents. Loads of excuses about technique, kit etc., but nearly all ignored the
one basic fact that you shouldnt have been there in the fisrt
place.

TerryH

[richie]

:=
:=Well done to John Kendall for giving single-tank wings (among other things) a well-deserved mention in his letter to DIVE mag.
:=I was going to do it myself, but seeing as every time I write in the editorial staff creatively interpret my address as being variously London, Lancashire or Oxfordshire, I thought I should leave it to someone less residentially wayward. :-)
:=
:=Has anyone tried the new double-bag halcyon single-tank wing? Or indeed any other makes?
:=


Err what's a single tank wing?

It's a wing designed for single tanks!
They've actually been around for some time - APValves and DiveRite both do a "travelwing", with enough lift for a single cylinder, or perhaps twin 7s. More recently, attention has shifted to Halcyon and their range of single tank wings, the Pioneer series. This may have a lot to do with marketing, certainly in the States, but the truth is they are catching on in a slow-but-steady way over here, mostly by word-of-mouth.
The basic feature is on oval-shaped "circular" bladder, with a short corrugated hose, a single rear dump valve, and a simple, streamlined profile. halcyon.net should show you what I'm on about, or you could wait 'til the Dive Show, they'll probably have a stand.

I haven't used the DiveRite or the APValves, so I can't comment on what they're like. I have the 36lb Pioneer, which has about the same lift as a large buddy commando I think. I understand the Oxycheq company now makes something very similar, and OMS might do too.


I dive a Zeagle which takes
everything from a single 10 to twin 12's. Unless I need to max
out on gas it has a single 12 stuck on it. Works fine.

I've used an apeks nx2000 (basically a zeagle ranger), a custom divers tbk, and innumerable stab jackets. They all worked fine with a single tank. Then I used a Pioneer wing and I wouldn't use the others ever again. Of course, the steel backplate/harness probably has a lot to do with it...

You may not find any advantage to it, but I would encourage you to try it all the same, you never know.


But while we are on the subject. Nice to see the reply to
Robin Eccles duff statment on wings. He should be up for the
most opinionated rubbish in print award (if there was one).

What else has he been saying?


And

95% of readers agree with Howards letter on the flawed plan (the other 5% are on holiday). Novice hanging on outside while
the senior diver went for a rummage. I just: a) Cant imagine
such a plan even being considered. b) Amazed that the author
skated over that fact and came to a different conclusion.

Muppet of the year or maybe worst Dive Marshalling Decison
award?

If I was a cynical bloke (no surely not), I might think that
Dive were trying a Troll.

Rgds
TerryH

[nick kay]

Terry - totally agree with you that the DM and AD were totally in the wrong, but it could have been a lot (fatally?) worse, if she hadn't been self-reliant...

[iainmsmith]

More recently, attention has shifted to Halcyon and their range of single tank wings, the Pioneer series.

And now the recently released "Eclipse" series - essentially a double-bladder version of the Pioneer. We've just got a couple of Eclipses in the club, but I've not had a chance to dive one yet.

This may have a lot to do with marketing, certainly in the States, but the truth is they are catching on in a slow-but-steady way over here, mostly by word-of-mouth.

My word of mouth: The Pioneer is an awesome single tank BC!

The basic feature is on oval-shaped "circular" bladder, with a short corrugated hose, a single rear dump valve, and a simple, streamlined profile. halcyon.net should show you what I'm on about, or you could wait 'til the Dive Show, they'll probably have a stand.

They will (almost certainly) be at the Underwater Explorers (Halcyon's UK distributor) stand. In the interim, see:

<a href="http://www.dirdirect.com/astro/New_-__Eclipse_Wing3108.htm" >http://www.dirdirect.com/astro/New_-__Eclipse_Wing3108.htm</a>

HTH,

Iain

[john kendall]

Hi

Well done to John Kendall for giving single-tank wings (among other things) a well-deserved mention in his letter to DIVE mag.

Thank You. It was a pleasure writing the letter, All I did was read the article then watch an episode of Wreck Detectives and that put me in the right mood :-)

I was going to do it myself, but seeing as every time I write in the editorial staff creatively interpret my address as being variously London, Lancashire or Oxfordshire, I thought I should leave it to someone less residentially wayward. :-)

They certainly edited down my letter, the original was at least twice that length, and pointed out there own screw ups as well (Such as the picture of the Pioneer single wing, next to a description of a twin-set setup)

Has anyone tried the new double-bag halcyon single-tank wing? Or indeed any other makes?

Not yet tried the New Eclipse, but dived with a couple of guys with them this weekend on the DIR-F course, they looked really nice and neat.

See ya
John