2008 incident report

[Richard Whitcombe]

Not seen a thread on this but the incident report is here:

http://www.bsac.com/core/core_picker...nt+Report+2008

Self explanatory. Some highlights:

359 total incidents (seems to have levelled)
DCI takes over from Ascents as main type (although ascents where DCI was a result are classed as DCI).

In the ascents it seems 17% of rapid ascents are caused by a freeflowing reg and 15% delayed SMB issues.

10 fatalities (down from the average), 3 suspected medical, 1 snorkeller in that.

Some really serious non-incidents too:

A diver entered the water and attempted to descend. She was unable to do so and returned to the boat for an extra 2kg weight. She then completed a normal dive.

[Nigel Hewitt]

Some really serious non-incidents too:A diver entered the water and attempted to descend. She was unable to do so and returned to the boat for an extra 2kg weight. She then completed a normal dive.
darn it....

That sounds like my recent Lake Geneva dive.
Except she did the sensible thing and went back for more weight while I, like an idiot, let the suit squeeze up and froze.
I used four kilos extra for the second dive but three would have probably done it.

However I needed the hours to complete my crossover to a new rebreather model. :D
Yes that is three now :o

[IainC]

However I needed the hours to complete my crossover to a new rebreather model.
Yes that is three now

No wonder RB are so expensive, you've cornered the market and are hoarding stock..

[Mike Rowley]

However I needed the hours to complete my crossover to a new rebreather model. :D
Yes that is three now :o

Do tell, what have you splashed out on Nigel?

[Nigel Hewitt]

Do tell, what have you splashed out on Nigel?It's just a Sentinel but I got the weight totally wrong and and end up feet light too so it was fun until I fixed that. Also Lake Geneva is technical shore diving and I never shore dive so I made a fool of myself trying to kit up with a stage in shallow water.

Not a happy weekend from the self esteem point of view but patient instructors can work wonders with an idiot. The drills are done and now the hard work starts.

The point was more that I could clock up three reportable incidents in a weekend if that's the standard. Few dives are perfect so we are using all that training to manage non-ideal situations and just do the dive safely. Where should we draw the line and write a report? I run out of suit gas? A reel snags and we have to let it go? My buddy breaks a weight belt clip and the crotch strap saves the day? A CO2 hit? I've never reported any of these because they weren't 'incidents', but should I have?

[Mike Rowley]

It will be interesting to have your views on comparisons between the Inspiration and the Sentinal when you have a few hours on it.

As for reporting incidents, probably the best guidline is whether anything can be learned from them. I suspect that Brian would say that we can learn from all incidents, however insignificant since the greater the number the higher the statistical significance and the more likely that trends may be identified. Incident report trends tend to inform training policy changes.

[Maria CM]

Is it just me that the link isn't working for?

best wishes,

Maria

[PeteM]

Is it just me that the link isn't working for?

Try this (http://www.bsac.com/core/core_picker/download.asp?id=14699&filetitle=Diving+Incident+Report+2008)

[JimW]

The point was more that I could clock up three reportable incidents in a weekend if that's the standard. Few dives are perfect so we are using all that training to manage non-ideal situations and just do the dive safely. Where should we draw the line and write a report? I run out of suit gas? A reel snags and we have to let it go? My buddy breaks a weight belt clip and the crotch strap saves the day? A CO2 hit? I've never reported any of these because they weren't 'incidents', but should I have?

The answer was covered in an August 2007
Safety Talk (http://www.bsac.com/page.asp?section=1027&sectionTitle=Safety+Talk+2007) article

which had the following advice
We are often asked if a particular incident should or should not be reported. The guidance below seeks to clarify this but a general principle should be to report any unusual occurrence and allow the Incidents Advisor to decide on its inclusion.

The published Incident Report provides a snapshot of what is happening within the UK as far as incidents are concerned.
We are confident we capture 100% of the fatal diving incidents each year but progressively fewer of the less serious incidents. They are nevertheless broadly representative of trends.

adding more reports simply helps build and consolidate the picture.
Reporting incidents that are "successfully resolved" have just as much learning value as those which had more serious consequences.

and in answer to your examples :
yes
yes
yes
YES:eek:

Jim

[Maria CM]

Thanks Pete

[Richard Whitcombe]

Do they really want several thousand "diver came back to boat for more weight then went diving. Nothing happened" reports per year?

[JimW]

Do they really want several thousand "diver came back to boat for more weight then went diving. Nothing happened" reports per year?

do we want them?
NO
only because such a number would 'illustrate' a serious failure in the ability of divers to weight themselves correctly in the first place.:eek:

However, if that were to be the case then the only way to identify it as an underlying trend is for people TO 'report' it.

So, for any unusual circumstance, if in doubt please report.
If it gets to be too much of a problem we will let you know.

Jim:cool:

[Richard Whitcombe]

Excellent. I hope they have 20,000 pages free in the next "incident" report for such non incidents. I've yet to see any club (or school) operate a text book lesson where they dont need extra weights for 1 or more students on a training weekend. Or qualified divers trying to get new kit right. Or the traditional start of season weight guesstimate.

[paul_c]

so what is being said is that if something occurs which doesnt directly endanger a diver through their accepting something is not right ie not enough weight and they start the dive a few minutes later as a result of correcting this it becomes a reportable issue?

when does this stop? the diver slipped on some spilt tea in the cafe where they discussed the next dive? the diver got a cold as a result of diving in chilly weather? its an incident which could, for some have seriouse repercussions.



so when i was 2 kg light in feb with ocean collage on my first dive and found my stop difficult they should have recorded it and reported it to thier orginisation? did they? no i just held onto the mouring line to stop myself accending uncontrollably, got to the surface and poped another 2k into my bcd for the remainder of the dives.
if i HAD uncontrollably accended then yes it should be reported.