Classroom lessons, no video avaibable?

[Ian Clarke]

Has BSAC ever done a video/DVD containing some or all of the classroom lessons for Ocean Diver?

We've recently had some crossover PADI OW divers come to the club and one of them let me borrow his PADI training DVD. Absolutly excellent, has BSAC produced something similar?

Just imagine classroom lessons would all give a consistant message, nothing would ever get missed out and trainees are less likely to lose interest during the lesson.

I'm sure most instructors would jump at the chance of something like this, so if it hasn't it been done, why?

[janos]

I initially learnt with PADI, and I must confess to being bored rigid by the video. IMHOTEP having an instructor who interacts with the class is much more likely to keep people awake and switched on.

Laters,
Janos

[TerryH]

Has BSAC ever done a video/DVD containing some or all of the classroom lessons for Ocean Diver?

I'm sure most instructors would jump at the chance of something like this, so if it hasn't it been done, why?

Well it has and yes you are right to wonder why not?

In 1999-2002 we had the old Club Diver/Sport syllabus for
clubs & Ocean Diver/Sport syllabus for schools. In addition to
all the powerpoint and Instructor manuals we had several
versions of videos. This followed closely the order of the
student workbooks etc.

It wasnt meant as a stand alone lecture, but was an "official"
summary lasting a max of 10 mins. By sticking it on at the end
of your lecture you would reinforce what you had taught and had
a check if you missed anything.

With the exception of the now banned buddy breathing, most of
the contents are the same as whats in the current syllabus.
This was filmed in the Caymans and the quality is reasonable.
So the question is why not re-edit the order, change the
voiceover to add the right pages in workbooks etc. and convert
it to DVD.

BSAC spent a lot of dosh on this and it always worked well
as a classroom aid. Considering the investment I was VERY
SURPRISED that this wasnt part of the new DTP review.

I'm sure that there will be somebody along to mumble cost etc,
but as a club TO, I would happily pay a reasonable ammount
(say ?20-?25) to have such an updated DVD.

Multiply that by the number of clubs and potential purchases
and I'm very confident that this would be an assett for
training.

So what about it Mr.BSAC?

TerryH

[David Walker]

Just imagine classroom lessons would all give a consistant message, nothing would ever get missed out and trainees are less likely to lose interest during the lesson.

Never lose interest? You sure? These aren't action movies, and if you were to bacically film a whole lesson and show it to people I imagine they'd nod off much quicker than with a normal style delivery. DVD may be a good backup to a lesson, or be useful in some cases like showing certain skills that are hard to demonstrate in the classroom, but not as a replacement.
Maybe just snippets of video built into the powerpoint slides - so in the DSMB lesson you click through the slide and reach the video showing a full deployment. That kind of thing might be more useful, but whether someone would have the time or inclination to put it together I very much doubt. It'd be a good idea, although maybe not of so much use as the effort that would need to be put in to make it.

David

[Ian Clarke]

:=Just imagine classroom lessons would all give a consistant message, nothing would ever get missed out and trainees are less likely to lose interest during the lesson.

Never lose interest? You sure? These aren't action movies, and if you were to bacically film a whole lesson and show it to people I imagine they'd nod off much quicker than with a normal style delivery. DVD may be a good backup to a lesson, or be useful in some cases like showing certain skills that are hard to demonstrate in the classroom, but not as a replacement.
Maybe just snippets of video built into the powerpoint slides - so in the DSMB lesson you click through the slide and reach the video showing a full deployment. That kind of thing might be more useful, but whether someone would have the time or inclination to put it together I very much doubt. It'd be a good idea, although maybe not of so much use as the effort that would need to be put in to make it.

David

Video clips in the presentations is an excellent idea.

The thing I really like about the DVD is it reinforces the lesson by using real life examples e.g. taking a plastic bottle underwater and seeing it compress or someone signal having problems clearing their ears and the instructor signal go up a little and try again.

Yes, in the short term it would be a lot of effort but in the long term IMHO the effort is worth it.

Ian

[roger sides]

BSAC have a PC CD-ROM i think its called go diving and is available from the mail shop. From memory it has videos of people doing CBL ascents and so on, along with some other stuff like a log book etc.

My old club had a copy or two that they lent out to trainees so that they can use the CD in their own time and enhance the information they were given in the lessons.

I'd recomend any club to have a copy of this for their library. It may also be a simple task to copy the relevant videos from this CD into the DTP power point slides anyway.

I've also seen some videos on a webpage, frogkick.dk i think. which showed DSMB deployment the GUE way.

[Lindsey Doyle]

This thread has given me an idea: would it be suitable to use a videoed lecture (best done by branch if possible!) to deliver to those students who miss the timetabled lectures & need "catching -up"? Would save a LOT of hassle (but I wouldn't like to see videos replace live lectures entirely, so don't think BSAC should make one. Relevant clops would be good...must be some out there on the www....lifting bag deployment etc.

[matts]

I initially learnt with PADI, and I must confess to being bored rigid by the video. IMHOTEP having an instructor who interacts with the class is much more likely to keep people awake and switched on.

I have to admit to being a fan of the old OD/SD videos, despite being sceptical at first.

Putting the tape on at the end of an evening lesson, when the students had already been inflicted to my wobbling for 50 mins, was a pretty good way to send them off to sleep ;-)

I adapted to putting the tape on first which worked really well. The trainees got a concise 10 minute introduction which covered the key points and set the mood for teaching. Once I started speaking they already had an idea of what I was talking about and I had a baseline to work from. I found it a lot easier to get the class to interact. Without the tape it can be a bit like getting blood from a stone.

[janos]

Ah. I must confess to not having seen the old videos. I thought the suggestion was to replace a full lesson with a 45 minute or hour long video.

I think a 10 minute video could work well as part of a lesson, but the room where we have our lectures is soporific enough (no windows, and not much oxygen) so much longer then that and we'd be carrying people out...

Laters,
Janos

[Darren Woodward]

Has BSAC ever done a video/DVD containing some or all of the classroom lessons for Ocean Diver?

We've recently had some crossover PADI OW divers come to the club and one of them let me borrow his PADI training DVD. Absolutly excellent, has BSAC produced something similar?

Just imagine classroom lessons would all give a consistant message, nothing would ever get missed out and trainees are less likely to lose interest during the lesson.

I'm sure most instructors would jump at the chance of something like this, so if it hasn't it been done, why?

I learnt to dive in Sharm in 1999 on a BSAC Ocean Diver resort course. It was run along side the PADI OW course by Camel Dive School. As part of the price you got a pack which included the Diving Manual, 88 tables, studen work book, record book, qualification book and a very good 1? hr long training video.

the video was broken down into 5 sections, each about 15 min long and covered the main points of each chapter. Looking at the instructors manual now for ocean diver, the video relates to the main confined water lessons. It could easily be used now with no modification. It would just help to clarify some of the intro issues. If picture tells a thousand words then an animation can tells millions!

Darren

[benpanter]

This thread has given me an idea: would it be suitable to use a videoed lecture (best done by branch if possible!) to deliver to those students who miss the timetabled lectures & need "catching -up"? Would save a LOT of hassle (but I wouldn't like to see videos replace live lectures entirely, so don't think BSAC should make one. Relevant clops would be good...must be some out there on the www....lifting bag deployment etc.

I agree that short video sections are an excellent teaching aid, but the idea of taping a lecture for a trainee doesn't sound that good to me.

In a lesson there is (or should be!) interaction between the instructor and the student: it becomes very obvious when they are not following or are falling asleep and you can immeadiately remedy the situation. If anyone doesn't undertand the first explaination, the job of the instructor is to try to clarify in a different way. You loose that interaction with a video. Of course, the student might go away and talk to an instructor about the bits they didn't quite get... but would you really want to bank on that?

[Lindsey Doyle]

I agree that short video sections are an excellent teaching aid, but the idea of taping a lecture for a trainee doesn't sound that good to me.

In a lesson there is (or should be!) interaction between the instructor and the student: it becomes very obvious when they are not following or are falling asleep and you can immeadiately remedy the situation. If anyone doesn't undertand the first explaination, the job of the instructor is to try to clarify in a different way. You loose that interaction with a video. Of course, the student might go away and talk to an instructor about the bits they didn't quite get... but would you really want to bank on that?

Yes, I agree with you...I've never done it, just wondered what others' respsonses were to the idea....I'd envisioned the trainee watching whilst supervised anyway, so lecture could be signed off...would just solve that intensive effort of instructor repeating lecture, minimum i hr 1:1 just cos it'd been missed first time!