Padi to bsac crossover-Aow to Sports diver.

[barrykavanagh]

Hi all I am an Padi advanced open water diver but I joined a Bsac club and have recieved my crossover pack for sports diver but does not tell you what skills etc. i need to do to get my sports diver, All I know is I have to do all the rescue drills that I haven't done with padi, Most people at my club I have spoke to are unsure and the person I need to talk to hasn't been around for a while.:(
Does anyone know what I need to do to get my sports diver? :confused:

Thanks
Barry

[garethwoodruff]

Rescue dive,

Simulated Decompression dives,

Fixed SMB dive,

DSMB deployment (but not compass).

Thats the main open water stuff you need. I would guess you need to look at the sports diver course and what you have done and compare the 2.

Personally I would recommend you do the whole sports diver course as you will have to do a fair bit of it anyway. If you have done a million dives, will take you no time, if not its good learning expereince.

You cross over as an Ocean diver in terms of SALT (statement of alternative training) but while you are training for sports you still have your 30 meter sticket if your diving with a dive leader or above.

Sports diver is a cracking course, probably one of the best diving courses on offer.

Cheers,

gareth.:)

[David G]

Your branch should have got you a TP6 Crossover pack which contains an extra page detailing the extra catch-up bits required to get your PADI AOW qualification aligned with the BSAC scheme for you to then progress through the Sports Diver training.

This pack:
http://www.bsac.com/shop.asp?itemid=2299&itemTitle=TP6+Crossover+Pack+-+Sports+Diver&section=1423&sectionTitle=BSAC+Training+Materials

Hope this helps.

David.

[Darren Morgan]

Hi Barry,

PADI AOW crosses over at BSAC Ocean Diver level.

If you wish to continue training with BSAC then you'll need to do a basic orientation lecture to familiarise you with the way that BSAC works and tables etc. Diving's diving but all agencies have slight differences in the way they approach things. From what I understand there's more rescue and dive planning type stuff in Ocean Diver than PADI OW so you might like to take advantage of that.

There's also the nitrox element that's now in the syllabus. You may need to do the Ocean diver nitrox workshop to bring you up to date if you haven't got a nitrox qual.

In terms of becoming a sports diver you'll need to do the full course from Ocean diver level, including the lectures, pool session and open water dives.

Skills include,
Out of air drills, Controlled buoyant lift, rescue breathing, recover casualty
Use of SMB
Compass navigation
Line drills
Deploy DSMB
Simulated Decompression dive
Dive leading
Assistant Dive Manager

[Fiona]

I am sure someone with more knowledge will be along soon, but when I was looking for something the other day the SALT table said AOW crossed over at Ocean Diver and they then completed a couple of lectures OT1 and OT4 and introduction to BSAC and then you would start Sport Diver training.

Opps took too long to check :(

[Richard Whitcombe]

Unfortunately don't expect the student materials to tell you how to do these skills. The written materials are fairly useless for things like that - you'll find the PADI ones far superior for actually telling how to go about doing a skill.

You'll just need to rely on the instructor and take notes or memorise.

[Darren Morgan]

Why not compass?

If he wants to be a Sports diver from AOW then he'll have to do the full Sports Diver course.

AOW crosses over as Ocean Diver, not "Ocean Diver and a bit". The two courses are very comparible with both having more detailed training in different areas.

[Mark]

Hi all I am an Padi advanced open water diver but I joined a Bsac club and have recieved my crossover pack for sports diver but does not tell you what skills etc. i need to do to get my sports diver,

The entire sports diver syllabus, plus two(iirc) ocean diver lectures.

The SALT process does seem to cause confusion.

Basically a PADI AOW is seen as equivalent to a BSAC OD for training purposes, however they can dive with their branch to the limits of their AOW qualification (30m no deco) with a suitably qualified buddy.

But to dive as a Sports diver they would have to do the full SD course, the same as if they were an Ocean diver.

That help?

I'm sure if I've got anything wrong some one will be along to correct me soon... or by the time I hit submit someone with quicker fingers will get there first...

:)

[garethwoodruff]

Why not compass?

From memory I think PADI AOW includes navigation.

[Richard Whitcombe]

From memory I think PADI AOW includes navigation.

Correct.

Distance/Time estimated swim
Straight line and reciprocal
Square pattern.


Which more than meets (and exceeds) that required for OD/SD.

However that isnt the issue, as others have said an AOW would require a cross to Ocean then do the FULL SD course. You cant skip bits if they're done elsewhere like that.

[Yazzyfooty]

Would an AOW with Rescue x over to Sports diver with just tables dsmb and cbl to master and complete?

[Richard Whitcombe]

Would an AOW with Rescue x over to Sports diver with just tables dsmb and cbl to master and complete?

Simulated deco dive, distance line work, rescue breathing. Probably more ive forgotten.

[MattS]

Would an AOW with Rescue x over to Sports diver with just tables dsmb and cbl to master and complete?For the definitive answer you should enquire at HQ. The last time we discussed something similar on here (http://www.bsacforum.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=13613) the loose consensus was that an RD can not qualify as an SD. They SALT to SD equivalent for training purposes, but do not obtain a BSAC qualification until they have completed the DL course.

[Nigel Hewitt]

<bangs head against wall>
So where's the problem?
RD is a good qualification to dive on in a branch and if they want to do further training SALT accepts it as a jumping off block for DL or an IFC.

They never need to be SD.

I've been diving with my branch for years based on the fact that I have outside qualifications that cover my diving.

[Edward]

For the definitive answer you should enquire at HQ. The last time we discussed something similar on here (http://www.bsacforum.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=13613) the loose consensus was that an RD can not qualify as an SD. They SALT to SD equivalent for training purposes, but do not obtain a BSAC qualification until they have completed the DL course.

Correct: A BSAC diver qualification has to be earned.

A PADI OW or AOW should undertake the modified SD course, see here (]http://www.bsac.com/shop.asp?itemid=2299&itemTitle=TP6+Crossover+Pack+-+Sports+Diver&section=1423&sectionTitle=BSAC+Training+Materials) which is for "For divers with an existing (non-BSAC) diving qualification that are considered to be of a similar standard to the BSAC Ocean Diver grade and wish to further their diver training with the BSAC and gain the Sports Diver qualification."

Regards

Edward

[Gareth]

The complete SALT table is here (http://www.bsac.com/core/core_picker/download.asp?id=10131&filetitle=Other+agency+qualifications+and+BSAC+div er+grades).

A PADI Rescue Diver qualification is accepted as equivelent to Sports Diver for the purposes of further training i.e. They start on the DL course + the fill in's.
NOTE - it does not mean they are a Sports Diver, they dive to the limitations of the RD qualification.

Gareth

[Janos]

Correct: A BSAC diver qualification has to be earned.

A PADI OW or AOW should undertake the modified SD course, see here (]http://www.bsac.com/shop.asp?itemid=2299&itemTitle=TP6+Crossover+Pack+-+Sports+Diver&section=1423&sectionTitle=BSAC+Training+Materials) which is for "For divers with an existing (non-BSAC) diving qualification that are considered to be of a similar standard to the BSAC Ocean Diver grade and wish to further their diver training with the BSAC and gain the Sports Diver qualification."

Regards

Edward

Your link doesn't work.

Janos

[Yazzyfooty]

Janos it did for me but very slow but very useful it was.

[Nigel Hewitt]

Your link doesn't work.here (http://www.bsac.com/shop.asp?itemid=2299&itemTitle=TP6+Crossover+Pack+-+Sports+Diver&section=1423&sectionTitle=BSAC+Training+Materials)

[garethwoodruff]

Quote:
Originally Posted by garethwoodruff
From memory I think PADI AOW includes navigation.


Correct.

Distance/Time estimated swim
Straight line and reciprocal
Square pattern.


Which more than meets (and exceeds) that required for OD/SD.

However that isnt the issue, as others have said an AOW would require a cross to Ocean then do the FULL SD course. You cant skip bits if they're done elsewhere like that.

Sorry, your right, I thought the branch DO could consider other relevant experience, however on checking thats only for Advanced Diver.

My mistake :eek:

[Paul S]

I'm in the process of crossing over at the same level (although I already had a Nitrox ticket). The club was running a SD course when I joined, so I just joined in. Finished the lectures about a month ago, done the exam, and now it's on to the Open Water training.

The main area that was new (or at least more than just glossed over) was the rescue skills. Everything else was the same, or maybe a very slight extension of what I had done before, either in the class room, or on dives. If you were doing any UK diving before crossing over then you'll have already met alot of the techniques whether you were taught them in a class room or not. The one exception is probably if you don't have a Nitrox ticket, that area would be new.

Just watch out for the different arbitrary numbers. e.g. Ascent rate. 15m/min Vs 18m/min. I think most computers will scream at you for going over 12, so who cares? There's a few like that and they can catch you out.

The other thing to remember is that your PADI tickets don't disappear, and you can still dive on them. There's no real hurry to get the BSAC ticket. It's good to do the training (for the practice, making sure you know your stuff, and getting to know the club), but what do you really gain from having the qualification?

[Edward]

here (http://www.bsac.com/shop.asp?itemid=2299&itemTitle=TP6+Crossover+Pack+-+Sports+Diver&section=1423&sectionTitle=BSAC+Training+Materials)

Thanks, I somehow got an expra "[" into the post.

Edward

[MattS]

They never need to be SD....but what if they want to...

[Nigel Hewitt]

They never need to be SD....but what if they want to...Well do it from scratch as that makes you a real SD.

OK there are going to be badge/card collectors, heck I have enough of them, but there is no real point. I had a SALT to SD stamped up by the DO for my IFC but my first real introduction to the SD course was teaching it. Does my club need me to be a 'real' SD? Will it make a difference to my diving? Be serious now...

[Hamish]

The other thing to remember is that your PADI tickets don't disappear, and you can still dive on them. There's no real hurry to get the BSAC ticket. It's good to do the training (for the practice, making sure you know your stuff, and getting to know the club), but what do you really gain from having the qualification?

Experience.:D

Hamish

[barrykavanagh]

Thanks guys for your help, going to my dive club tonight hopefully i can get some answers there too! Probably do the whole course,
Thanks again.
Barry