02 Instructor

[dano]

As a OWI can you teach the 02 course.

[nick kay]

As a OWI can you teach the 02 course.
Complicated(?) answer...
As far as I'm aware:
1. If you've done the "new" DL and then qualified as an OWI, then you can teach O2 as part of OD/SD
2. If you're an OWI and you're "current" on O2, i.e. you've done the O2 SDC within (say) the past 2 years, then you can teach the O2 SDC
However, I'd suggest you request some support from your region and get someone who regularly teaches O2 to come and help you out (not take over, but help)

[MarkA]

As a OWI can you teach the 02 course.
of course you willl need to have done the course yourself and then you will be able to teach on the course as an assistant to the chief instructor. If this goes OK and you get the Chief Instructors approval then you can apply to be an O2 instructor in your own right

[Mike Halligan]

:=As a OWI can you teach the 02 course.
of course you willl need to have done the course yourself and then you will be able to teach on the course as an assistant to the chief instructor. If this goes OK and you get the Chief Instructors approval then you can apply to be an O2 instructor in your own right.

And if it is no longer offered as a SDC, but as several lessons within the structured DTP, then where do the concepts of "assist", "Chief Instructor" and "approval" lie?

[mark allen]

:=:=As a OWI can you teach the 02 course.
:=of course you willl need to have done the course yourself and then you will be able to teach on the course as an assistant to the chief instructor. If this goes OK and you get the Chief Instructors approval then you can apply to be an O2 instructor in your own right.

And if it is no longer offered as a SDC, but as several lessons within the structured DTP, then where do the concepts of "assist", "Chief Instructor" and "approval" lie?


There is no intention of stopping this SDC with in the BSAC it will be run as an alternative to Diver Training as we had it before in the Old diver training.
Mark Allen
BSAC Council member

[Mike Halligan]

:=:=:=As a OWI can you teach the 02 course.
:=:=of course you willl need to have done the course yourself and then you will be able to teach on the course as an assistant to the chief instructor. If this goes OK and you get the Chief Instructors approval then you can apply to be an O2 instructor in your own right.
:=
:=And if it is no longer offered as a SDC, but as several lessons within the structured DTP, then where do the concepts of "assist", "Chief Instructor" and "approval" lie?

There is no intention of stopping this SDC with in the BSAC it will be run as an alternative to Diver Training as we had it before in the Old diver training.

Sorry, Mark, I was unclear. If a Branch moves away from running the O2 SDC, preferring to deliver O2 lessons as an integral part of the DTP, then how do Instructors who did not experience as students the current DTP get to do their assist and thus gain accreditiation to deliver the DL course?

Mike

[janos]

Sorry, Mark, I was unclear. If a Branch moves away from running the O2 SDC, preferring to deliver O2 lessons as an integral part of the DTP, then how do Instructors who did not experience as students the current DTP get to do their assist and thus gain accreditiation to deliver the DL course?


I was under the impression that an NQI (including TI?) could teach O2 as part of the DL syllabus, but not run an SDC. Although this seems a bit of an anonomly (sp?) to me.

Laters,
Janos

[nick kay]

:=:=As a OWI can you teach the 02 course.
:=of course you willl need to have done the course yourself and then you will be able to teach on the course as an assistant to the chief instructor. If this goes OK and you get the Chief Instructors approval then you can apply to be an O2 instructor in your own right.

>> I'm not sure the above statement is correct... AFAIK, there is no longer any such thing as an approved O2 Instructor. To teach the O2 SDC all you need is to be OWI and have done the O2 course within the past (I believe) 2 years (even not even clear if you hvae to be "current")

[Khaled Alwassia]

There is no intention of stopping this SDC with in the BSAC it will be run as an alternative to Diver Training as we had it before in the Old diver training.
Mark Allen
BSAC Council member

I have crossed over from Padi being a Dive Master, Master Diver, Dan O2 provider, Medic First Aid updated to EFR, Dan Marien Injuries, to become a Dive Leader. Now well underway with the AD training. Now finalising the participation in the TIE, OWIC and PIE, so i have atteded a total of 4 O2 courses, but could i teach O2 the BSAC way?

I was told by BSAC HQ that if i do the DAN Advanced O2 course that they will accept this as an alternative to the BSAC course.

But would i be alloed to teach O2 the Bsac way either in the DIver training or SDC?

Regards

Khaled


If, is pass all elements then I am a Dive Leader

[Mike Halligan]

:=:=:=As a OWI can you teach the 02 course.
:=:=of course you willl need to have done the course yourself and then you will be able to teach on the course as an assistant to the chief instructor. If this goes OK and you get the Chief Instructors approval then you can apply to be an O2 instructor in your own right.
:=
>> I'm not sure the above statement is correct... AFAIK, there is no longer any such thing as an approved O2 Instructor. To teach the O2 SDC all you need is to be OWI and have done the O2 course within the past (I believe) 2 years (even not even clear if you hvae to be "current")

Thanks, Nick. I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees a distinction between the former "approved O2 instructors" and students qualifying as type-2002 DL who then become OWI.

I have several fellow instructors who fit neither category. They are type-1995 DLs who are OWIs, and I need them to be competent, confident instructors for the O2 elements of "new" DL. I could run the O2 elements of DL as if a SDC (with a Chief Instructor and with one-to-two supervision of psuedo-assists by approved O2 instructor), but that forces approved instructors to fall off the "currency" end of the table. Are these people uniquely unable to hold on to a qualification which later fellows will apparently hold of right, whether used or not?

Mike (TO, Branch 278)

[nick kay]

:=>> I'm not sure the above statement is correct... AFAIK, there is no longer any such thing as an approved O2 Instructor. To teach the O2 SDC all you need is to be OWI and have done the O2 course within the past (I believe) 2 years (not even clear if you have to be "current")

Thanks, Nick. I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees a distinction between the former "approved O2 instructors" and students qualifying as type-2002 DL who then become OWI.

I have several fellow instructors who fit neither category. They are type-1995 DLs who are OWIs, and I need them to be competent, confident instructors for the O2 elements of "new" DL. I could run the O2 elements of DL as if a SDC (with a Chief Instructor and with one-to-two supervision of psuedo-assists by approved O2 instructor), but that forces approved instructors to fall off the "currency" end of the table. Are these people uniquely unable to hold on to a qualification which later fellows will apparently hold of right, whether used or not?

Mike (TO, Branch 278)

Two other points...
1. When you "qualified" as an O2 Instructor, your name went onto a central register. AFAIK, this register no longer exists
2. In the Yorkshire Region, the regional SDC co-ordinator assesses the capability of instructors teaching on regional courses and once they've achieved the required level, "authorises" them to teach on regional courses. This has nothing to do with stopping them from teaching on (say) any other O2 SDC or DL course. Its purely a quality control check for regionally organised, regionally run courses...

[jp]

:=:=>> I'm not sure the above statement is correct... AFAIK, there is no longer any such thing as an approved O2 Instructor. To teach the O2 SDC all you need is to be OWI and have done the O2 course within the past (I believe) 2 years (not even clear if you have to be "current")
:=
:=Thanks, Nick. I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees a distinction between the former "approved O2 instructors" and students qualifying as type-2002 DL who then become OWI.
:=
:=I have several fellow instructors who fit neither category. They are type-1995 DLs who are OWIs, and I need them to be competent, confident instructors for the O2 elements of "new" DL. I could run the O2 elements of DL as if a SDC (with a Chief Instructor and with one-to-two supervision of psuedo-assists by approved O2 instructor), but that forces approved instructors to fall off the "currency" end of the table. Are these people uniquely unable to hold on to a qualification which later fellows will apparently hold of right, whether used or not?
:=
:=Mike (TO, Branch 278)

Two other points...
1. When you "qualified" as an O2 Instructor, your name went onto a central register. AFAIK, this register no longer exists
2. In the Yorkshire Region, the regional SDC co-ordinator assesses the capability of instructors teaching on regional courses and once they've achieved the required level, "authorises" them to teach on regional courses. This has nothing to do with stopping them from teaching on (say) any other O2 SDC or DL course. Its purely a quality control check for regionally organised, regionally run courses...

Hold up guys, first as Mark has already stated, the O2 course is still an event that can be put on if required and therefore the O2 instructor register is still maintained by HQ. so if you need an O2 instructor ask HQ.

To teach any subjec t in the BSAC the rule has always been "you have had to have been taught it first", so as an O2instructor you can either teach the course or the elements within the Diver training, as a NQI that has been taught the elements you can then teach them.

Good to see the SDC co-ordinator maintaining records of instructors that hold qualifications for the different events
jp

[Gary Cameron]

Hold up guys, first as Mark has already stated, the O2 course is still an event that can be put on if required and therefore the O2 instructor register is still maintained by HQ. so if you need an O2 instructor ask HQ.

To teach any subjec t in the BSAC the rule has always been "you have had to have been taught it first", so as an O2instructor you can either teach the course or the elements within the Diver training, as a NQI that has been taught the elements you can then teach them.

Good to see the SDC co-ordinator maintaining records of instructors that hold qualifications for the different events
jp
I am confused with this as it seems to suggest that there are two standards of O2 Instructor. How can the list be kept up to date if the requirement to take an O2 course is "NQI" and "previously been on the O2 course". It would be very difficult to extract this information and update the list.

Or is there a hiden route for a proper "approved" O2 instructor held by the regional people and HQ.

Gary

[mark allen]

:=Hold up guys, first as Mark has already stated, the O2 course is still an event that can be put on if required and therefore the O2 instructor register is still maintained by HQ. so if you need an O2 instructor ask HQ.
:=
:=To teach any subjec t in the BSAC the rule has always been "you have had to have been taught it first", so as an O2instructor you can either teach the course or the elements within the Diver training, as a NQI that has been taught the elements you can then teach them.
:=
:=Good to see the SDC co-ordinator maintaining records of instructors that hold qualifications for the different events
:=jp
I am confused with this as it seems to suggest that there are two standards of O2 Instructor. How can the list be kept up to date if the requirement to take an O2 course is "NQI" and "previously been on the O2 course". It would be very difficult to extract this information and update the list.

Or is there a hiden route for a proper "approved" O2 instructor held by the regional people and HQ.

Gary


All the Q&A are in this Link
Mark Allen

[janos]

All the Q&A are in this Link
Mark Allen

Hi Mark,

Having read the link I still have one question. I am an OWI who has done the new DL syllabus. I have been on an O2 SDC, but only as a student (as part of my DL). I understand and agree that I can teach DL trainees the whole DL syllabus. Can I run an O2 SDC in branch for some of our Ocean Divers?

This is not covered in the Q&A and I have not seen a reference to this (one way or the other) anywhere.

Thanks,
Janos

[nick kay]

:=All the Q&A are in this Link
:=Mark Allen

Hi Mark,

Having read the link I still have one question. I am an OWI who has done the new DL syllabus. I have been on an O2 SDC, but only as a student (as part of my DL). I understand and agree that I can teach DL trainees the whole DL syllabus. Can I run an O2 SDC in branch for some of our Ocean Divers?

This is not covered in the Q&A and I have not seen a reference to this (one way or the other) anywhere.

Thanks,
Janos

Hi Janos

As far as I'm aware, to teach the O2 SDC all you need is OWI & previous (student) attendance on the O2 SDC.

As far as I'm aware, there is no longer a requirement to get BSAC HQ approval or to observe/assist on an O2 course

As far as I'm aware, the only SDCs for which you need "approval" are Nitrox and ABI

Check with Jim Watson / Mike Clack at HQ for confirmation...

[janos]

Hi Janos

As far as I'm aware, to teach the O2 SDC all you need is OWI & previous (student) attendance on the O2 SDC.

As far as I'm aware, there is no longer a requirement to get BSAC HQ approval or to observe/assist on an O2 course

As far as I'm aware, the only SDCs for which you need "approval" are Nitrox and ABI

Check with Jim Watson / Mike Clack at HQ for confirmation...

Cheers Nick. Will check tomorrow.

Laters,
Janos

[janos]

:=As far as I'm aware, to teach the O2 SDC all you need is OWI & previous (student) attendance on the O2 SDC.
:=
:=As far as I'm aware, there is no longer a requirement to get BSAC HQ approval or to observe/assist on an O2 course
:=
:=As far as I'm aware, the only SDCs for which you need "approval" are Nitrox and ABI
:=
:=Check with Jim Watson / Mike Clack at HQ for confirmation...

Ok, third time I'm going to try and post this (over a few days). Once again I'm glad I don't have Keith's (unpaid) job! Apologies if three posts appear!

Anyways, I emailed Mike at HQ, and he confirmed the above. As an OWI I can run an O2 course either as in branch training or as an SDC. I do not have to assist on a course to gain "approved instructor" status. The same applies for a lot of other SDCs, but as you point out, it doesn't apply to Nitrox, Boats, Medical stuff, FFM, and a few others.

Full details of who can teach what are on the link below.
<a href="http://www.bsac.org/techserv/sdc/sdcchtin.htm" >http://www.bsac.org/techserv/sdc/sdcchtin.htm</a>

And the courses which require an 'Approved Instructor'
<a href="http://www.bsac.org/techserv/sdc/appinstreg.htm" >http://www.bsac.org/techserv/sdc/appinstreg.htm</a>

Laters,
Janos


Laters,
Janos

[Gary Cameron]

All the Q&A are in this Link
Mark Allen
Well not really...

I was probably confusing in my post.
I think I understand that a branch O2 SDC (Boss) can be someone who has been on an O2 SDC (within the last 3 years) AND is also an OWI. Also that the SDC they have attended can be branch run or Regional.

What I was quering was that someone alluded to HQ still holding a list of approved Instructors. Or some of the regional SDC people holding a list of people they see fit to run a Regional O2 SDC as long as they meet their standards.

Surely if someone can run a branch SDC then they should be able to run a Regional one or teach on a regional one. It sounded like double standards.

Gary Cameron
York

[nick kay]

What I was quering was that someone alluded to HQ still holding a list of approved Instructors.
&gt;&gt; Hi Gary. Actually I said the opposite, i.e. that HQ no longer holds such a list / the "register" no longer exists

Or some of the regional SDC people holding a list of people they see fit to run a Regional O2 SDC as long as they meet their standards.

Surely if someone can run a branch SDC then they should be able to run a Regional one or teach on a regional one. It sounded like double standards.
&gt;&gt; Err, no. If we hold (Yorkshire) regional courses, then we want to know that the standard on regional courses is as good as we can make it. People are invited to assist on any/all SDCs and once they've proved they're up to regional sdc level, then they're invited to boss (Yorkshire) regional sdc courses.
&gt;&gt; Whats being aimed at, is that if the standard set to boss a regional course is set high, then by the time the standard gets diluted down to (for example) branch level, then the standard is still correct
&gt;&gt; Compare (the likely standard of) an instructor teaching (say) O2 on a regular basis on regional to someone whos only done the SDC as a student - they're legitimately allowed to teach O2 - both in-branch and/or as an SDC. Who would you rather have teach you???