DL and AD Qualifying Dives

[Ian Dorward]

In reagards the qualifying dives for DL and AD does each dive have to be a separate dive? in that if I do a 35m dive off a boat does that get a tick in the box for a boat dive and a 35m dive. Or is it only qualifying for one and I can pick.

As obviously a dive I lead off a boat in a drift with bad viz could qualify for 4 ticks! And I would guess that the nature of the qualification is that its based on experience therefore this would only get 1 tick as opposed to 4.

Am i right?

[Edward Haynes]

Just my thoughts.

For DL:
As at least 6 must be from a boat; at least 8 acting as a dive leader (under instruction); and 10 at a greater depth than 25m. Does it really matter providing the NQI signing up the dive is happy the student meets the requirements? After all there are a minimum of 20 dives and at least 600 minutes underwater required.

For AD:
The first set of conditions (planned decompression dive, dive in tidal waters, drift dive) are mutually exclusive i.e. one per dive (as per the Instructor Manual page 358).

Edward

In reagards the qualifying dives for DL and AD does each dive have to be a separate dive? in that if I do a 35m dive off a boat does that get a tick in the box for a boat dive and a 35m dive. Or is it only qualifying for one and I can pick.

As obviously a dive I lead off a boat in a drift with bad viz could qualify for 4 ticks! And I would guess that the nature of the qualification is that its based on experience therefore this would only get 1 tick as opposed to 4.

Am i right?

Not quite. You could get the 4 ticks if your buddy was the instructing NQI for the dive.

[Gary Jackson]

Just my thoughts.

For DL:
As at least 6 must be from a boat; at least 8 acting as a dive leader (under instruction);

Edward,
When you say under instruction, do you mean that an NQI has to be on the dive with the trainee? This isn't the way we've been doing it.

Sadly the Instructor Manual doesn't really go into enough detail on the 20 experience dives.

Gary

[John Williams]

:=Just my thoughts.
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:=For DL:
:=As at least 6 must be from a boat; at least 8 acting as a dive leader (under instruction);

Edward,
When you say under instruction, do you mean that an NQI has to be on the dive with the trainee? This isn't the way we've been doing it.

Sadly the Instructor Manual doesn't really go into enough detail on the 20 experience dives.

Gary

Your experience dives must cover a variety of experience - overall.

The NQI does not need to be with you...but a Dive Leader experienced in those conditions would be a good idea!

The DO (or TO) should sit down with you and review your experience when you present your book for the award of a diver grade. This is to ensure that your experience covers the variety that is required. As long as it does meet local requirements (i.e. there's no point having 20 dives from a hardboat onto a shallow red sea reef, with a wreck, even if the water was moving, or it was at night ...if the kind of diving your branch normally does is missing from your experience - though this is up to you and your DO to discuss and agree)

HTH


John

[Dave]

The DO (or TO) should sit down with you and review your experience when you present your book for the award of a diver grade. This is to ensure that your experience covers the variety that is required. As long as it does meet local requirements (i.e. there's no point having 20 dives from a hardboat onto a shallow red sea reef, with a wreck, even if the water was moving, or it was at night ...if the kind of diving your branch normally does is missing from your experience - though this is up to you and your DO to discuss and agree)

Surely if the person has the designated experience ( regardless of whether these dives meet any special typing that may apply to a specific branch, then the person should be awarded the qualification and any experience dives that may be appropriate to take as regards to the branch, be undertaken subsequently.

Dave
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Ahh, tis nice to be able to log in again

[John Williams]

Dave,

Probably correct...however it IS the prerogative of the DO not to utilise you at your new diver grade until you meet "local requirements". These local requirements should simply be for "RELEVANT" experience....not more experience.

Someone presenting themselves with all their diving experience from behind a tropical reef - from the shore, from small and large boats, at night, on a wreck etc etc - will not be ready to lead dives in severely limited vis, with a current running off Filey Brigg in mid Feb. It is only reasonable for the DO to request that tropical First Class Divers do some familiarisation dives in new conditions before using them as DLs taking others into those conditions for the first time.

I've always found it works well if you sit down with the DO and make sure that you meet these "local requirements" so that you don't need to explain why you are a DL (but are not acting as one yet)to every confused Marshal in the branch.

It also gives direction, goals and acheivement targets to your diving before you present your book to the DO...making it more fun!

John

[Dave]

Dave,

Probably correct...however it IS the prerogative of the DO not to utilise you at your new diver grade until you meet "local requirements". These local requirements should simply be for "RELEVANT" experience....not more experience.

Indeed. That is the case; my point is that the qualification should be awarded as long as the candidate has the requirements as defined by BSAC and this additional experience should not be a pre-requisite.


Someone presenting themselves with all their diving experience from behind a tropical reef - from the shore, from small and large boats, at night, on a wreck etc etc - will not be ready to lead dives in severely limited vis, with a current running off Filey Brigg in mid Feb. It is only reasonable for the DO to request that tropical First Class Divers do some familiarisation dives in new conditions before using them as DLs taking others into those conditions for the first time.

Quite reasonable a requirement

Dave

[vice-chairman]

Hi Ian,

It really is very straightforward and it?s all about experience, not just ticking boxes. Full details can be found in the new QRB and the following link:
<a href="http://www.bsac.org/technical/dtp/syllabus.htm" >http://www.bsac.org/technical/dtp/syllabus.htm</a>
Dive Leader
? 20 dives - (which may include open water lessons) minimum 600 minutes underwater time
Open water diving should encompass experience of at least five of the following: planned decompression dive, navigation dive, low (1.5-3m) visibility dive, night dive, wreck dive, drift (1-1.5kn) dive, wall dive. Of the 20 dives, at least six should be from boats, on at least eight the student should act as dive leader, and at least ten dives should be to greater than 25m depth. The student should also act as Dive Marshall on at least two occasions additional to the dry practical lessons.

Advanced Diver
? 20 dives post Dive Leader- (which may include open water lessons) minimum 600 minutes underwater time
Open water diving should encompass each of the following, each on at least three occasion: planned two stop decompression dive, drift dive, dive in tidal waters. In addition a further six dives should include at least three of the following: navigation dive, night dive, low (&gt;2m) visibility dive, wreck dive, wall dive.

Of the 20 dives at least 10 should be carried out from boats, on at least 10 the student should act as dive leader and at least six dives should show experience of depths greater than 30m. On at least five occasions, including at both known and unfamiliar sites, the student should act as Dive Marshal.
The following links also state who can teach

<a href="http://www.bsac.org/technical/dtp/lsleader.htm" >http://www.bsac.org/technical/dtp/lsleader.htm</a>

<a href="http://www.bsac.org/technical/dtp/lsadvanced.htm" >http://www.bsac.org/technical/dtp/lsadvanced.htm</a>

Cheers??..Allan