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Hi,
Recently, I have been teaching the Sprts Diver lectures, as supplied by BSAC. I have noticed that they take an extraordinary length of time. With practice, the time is reducing, but at the expense of detail of description. For example, last night I did the Diver Rescue lecture and it took the best part of an hour and half - before doing the practical. By the time the students had done a breath on the resusiannies, the pool staff were closing up shop.
Has anyone else had this problem, found a solution?
Guy
Hi,
Recently, I have been teaching the Sprts Diver lectures, as supplied by BSAC. I have noticed that they take an extraordinary length of time. With practice, the time is reducing, but at the expense of detail of description. For example, last night I did the Diver Rescue lecture and it took the best part of an hour and half - before doing the practical. By the time the students had done a breath on the resusiannies, the pool staff were closing up shop.
Has anyone else had this problem, found a solution?
Yep easy. You dont do the whole lecture/Annie on the same night.
Split the lecture into two and save the AV/CPR stuff for a
practical session.
If you look at BSAC timings the practical bits are wildly
unrealistic. So make sure that they all get a really good go
and make it two lessons.
And while we are on the subject ........
SS1 Rescue Skills in one pool session? In your dreams.
SO1 Diver Rescue - One dive? Not in this lifetime.
TerryH
:=Hi,
:=
:=Recently, I have been teaching the Sprts Diver lectures, as supplied by BSAC. I have noticed that they take an extraordinary length of time. With practice, the time is reducing, but at the expense of detail of description. For example, last night I did the Diver Rescue lecture and it took the best part of an hour and half - before doing the practical. By the time the students had done a breath on the resusiannies, the pool staff were closing up shop.
:=
:=Has anyone else had this problem, found a solution?
:=
Yep easy. You dont do the whole lecture/Annie on the same night.
Split the lecture into two and save the AV/CPR stuff for a
practical session.
Found this with quiet a few of the lectures, OD as well as SD - particularly if people start asking some questions. Not too much problem for us as we have plenty of time.
If you look at BSAC timings the practical bits are wildly
unrealistic. So make sure that they all get a really good go
and make it two lessons.
And while we are on the subject ........
SS1 Rescue Skills in one pool session? In your dreams.
Two providing them are fresh on CBL from OD, three otherwise
SO1 Diver Rescue - One dive? Not in this lifetime.
Again two or three. First couple of times we taught this we tried to do it in one, but everyone including the instructor ends up knackered and cold. Only way to do it effectively is to do it a in sections. We have almost reverted to doing it the old way, with one or two lessons teaching then another ensuring they reach the performance target (i.e. an assessment)
Pete
Steve Walker
22-10-2003, 17:06
:=SS1 Rescue Skills in one pool session? In your dreams.
Two providing them are fresh on CBL from OD, three otherwise
Luxury, when I were a lad we'ad it rough...
Define "one pool session"? 1 hour ? two hours?
Recently had to run some folk through this and didn't find it too hard to do in a two to three hour session. Of course, it's a great motivator when pool time is so limited: two or three weekends of 2x 3hour sessions and that's yer lot! Then its begging pool time from other clubs.
Raaat, time f't two bits of cold gravel and nuther 25 hour shift down't pit and pay pit-owner f'permission to come to work, and you try to tell kids of today that...they won't believe yer! ;-)
:=SO1 Diver Rescue - One dive? Not in this lifetime.
Exactly , not if you want them to be competent
:=
:=SS1 Rescue Skills in one pool session? In your dreams.
Two providing them are fresh on CBL from OD, three otherwise
We do three AAS/CBL, AV no kit + AV kit, Rescue Sequence and (cough) Monitoring of Skill Performance Standards.
:=SO1 Diver Rescue - One dive? Not in this lifetime.
Again two or three. First couple of times we taught this we tried to do it in one, but everyone including the instructor ends up knackered and cold. Only way to do it effectively is to do it a in sections. We have almost reverted to doing it the old way, with one or two lessons teaching then another ensuring they reach the performance target (i.e. an assessment)
Yep same again. AAS/CBL followed by a run through of Sequence
and Assessment. Takes 2 or three dives/sessions depending
how good they are.
So that's 2/3 pool sessions and 2/3 OW sessions.
Hmm. That will be the Old Sport Diver then.
TerryH
Glad to see that I am not alone. Even if the gravel does get stuck in the back teeth.
I'm not sure which is worst - lots of lectures or a few long ones. Obviously, the programme creators thought that it was better to err on the long side. Or they thought that they couldn't jump from 4 lectures (old system) to 8 or 9 for SD. Though, timewise, this is what they have done.
The instructor courses teach that concentration on a particular topic is 15mins max. and that lesson concentration doesn't excede 40mins. It seems clumsy, then, that this has not been applied to the instructor teaching aids, which are meant to make life easier for us.
Fortunately, we are not short of pool time - just instructor patience/stamina.
Guy
:=:=SS1 Rescue Skills in one pool session? In your dreams.
:=
:=Two providing them are fresh on CBL from OD, three otherwise
Luxury, when I were a lad we'ad it rough...
Define "one pool session"? 1 hour ? two hours?
Recently had to run some folk through this and didn't find it too hard to do in a two to three hour session.
An hour - two to three all told less kitting up, briefing and poncing about waiting for trainees to get their acts together time * 3
Mike Halligan
22-10-2003, 19:15
Has anyone else had this problem, found a solution?
Guy,
Like others here, I have found the new lessons are proving impossible in less than 90 minutes (plus faffing time as stated elsewhere). This seems to apply less to pool than to classroom but, however disciplined the Instructor may be, nothing substantive is achieved in an hour.
The solution lies in what Terry says, split the thing up and throw the timetable out the window.
HTH
Mike
Steve Walker
23-10-2003, 12:56
Ah... yes, one hour slots very difficult indeed, infact almost as soon as you're in the water you're getting out again,of course our "leftovers" will be subjected to this from now on as the three hour sessions are over and done with.
Ah... yes, one hour slots very difficult indeed, infact almost as soon as you're in the water you're getting out again,of course our "leftovers" will be subjected to this from now on as the three hour sessions are over and done with.
It is a while since I did any pool training but I always found it best to get the talking and faffing out the way before the precious hour begins.
Get your students at the pool early, assemble the kit on the pool side, changing room or even the car park. Once your session starts, a couple minutes buddy check and you can get them in. I even took to meeting trainees at the equipment shed so I could brief them on the way to the pool.
Regards
MattS
muddy puddle
26-10-2003, 00:50
The solution lies in what Terry says, split the thing up and throw the timetable out the window.
HTH
Mike
What timetable????
Gone are the days when the instructor manual stated a time for the lectures! The old manual stated times but not the new one!
We (St Albans Sub Aqua Club) do split the classroom work and the pool lessons.
Paul Oliver
26-10-2003, 23:22
Wow,
3 hour pool sessions, i wish. We only have 1 hour each Thursday, and the early start etc is my big thing, but it still seems too short.
I have been Instructing for another Club who have a lack of Instructors, they have a 2 hour pool session, it is incredible how much more i can get done there, even with a slow start.
Having said that my ears are generally starting to suffer after about 90min, subject to subject matter.
Dive safe
Paul
Paul Oliver
26-10-2003, 23:28
Guys
This goes for all levals as far as i can see. I have been teaching DL the last 3 weekends and have had to rejiggle DO5,6 & 7 totally. But we have got it done and i'll have 6 new DL's next year.
But isn't this all part of the thinking instructor approach?
Dive Safe
Paul
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