dive leader

[steve-k]

i had herd that the new dl sylibus required out of club training or that the instructor had to do re-training



i am not an instructor yet, but reading the instructor manual is just states that you need to be a NQI instructor

have i got my wires crossed?

steve

[nick kay]

As far as I can work out, the "current" situation is a bit odd...

Say you're an NQI, but never done the O2 course / you're not an approved O2 Instructor... Its therefore difficult to see how you could teach the O2 element of the DL course.

However, if you've become an NQI since doing the new CD/SD/DL course(s), then you've been exposed to the O2 lectures/practical and (I believe) you're perceived as being OK to teach the O2 element of DL.

This situation should get sorted over time as the "new" DLs become NQIs, in the mean time, probably better to get your DL students to do the PRM and O2 courses. OR, get yourself approved to boss the PRM and O2 SDCs...

[Mike Halligan]

have i got my wires crossed?

Steve,

It's likely others have their wires crossed. :-)

As a broad principle, Instructors can teach anything they have themselves studied. In the case of some SDCs, they also have to teach under supervision and satisfy the lead Instructor before they can teach alone.

If you have an Instructor in (or available to) the Branch who is an Oxygen Admin and PRM Instructor, then parts of the new DL syllabus may be taught by that person. If not, until you have such a person, or until someone who studies the new DL becomes an NQI, then you've a problem as a Branch. That is where other Branches and the Region come in, to help in situations such as this.

My Branch has chosen to keep running Oxygen and PRM as SDCs, so that more of our Instructors become rated to teach the new syllabus. We happen to be rich in Instructors and able to lay on SDCs cheaply.

I think there is a way of getting round this, by saying that a newly qualified NQI could have been tested in any element of the new syllabus and so can teach any part up to his/her own grade. That expects rather a lot of the Instructor. I would not be tremendously happy to teach unsupervised a subject I had not myself studied. As TO, I shan't be asking anyone else to do what I wouldn't do.

If your DO would have a word with the Area Coach, now there would be a thing! It is often a big surprise to learn how much these people can help.

HTH

Mike

[steve-k]

so

if an instructor has done o2 and prm then they can teach all elements of DL

it would stand to reason then that if that same instructor taught you the sections of dl that related to o2 and prm, then you should be able to teach them
(assuming you have done dl through the old sylibus)

[PeteM]

If you have an Instructor in (or available to) the Branch who is an Oxygen Admin and PRM Instructor, then parts of the new DL syllabus may be taught by that person. If not, until you have such a person, or until someone who studies the new DL becomes an NQI, then you've a problem as a Branch. That is where other Branches and the Region come in, to help in situations such as this.

That's not what I understand by the transfer arrangements.

I was under the impression that an OWI or above who has completed and passed the O2 and PRM course can then teach those parts of the DL course

Pete

[matt]

:=If you have an Instructor in (or available to) the Branch who is an Oxygen Admin and PRM Instructor, then parts of the new DL syllabus may be taught by that person. If not, until you have such a person, or until someone who studies the new DL becomes an NQI, then you've a problem as a Branch. That is where other Branches and the Region come in, to help in situations such as this.

That's not what I understand by the transfer arrangements.

I was under the impression that an OWI or above who has completed and passed the O2 and PRM course can then teach those parts of the DL course


From the current O2 and PRM SDC Syllabus on Tech Services;
INSTRUCTORS
"Instructors must be BSAC NQIs (Open Water Instructor or above) who have previously attended the PRM Course."

So an NQI with PRM or O2 is a PRM or O2 SDC instructor and there should not be a problem with them teaching the DL course.

Looks like your both right :-)

Regards
Matt

[mike halligan]

I was under the impression that an OWI or above who has completed and passed the O2 and PRM course can then teach those parts of the DL course

Sorry, Pete, my mistake, you are absolutely correct. In fact, I wouldn't be so bold as to exclude CIs.

However, it is helpful for the self-assurance of the Instructor (and the confidence of students) if the first delivery is well supervised. Both subjects throw up hypothetical arguments and attract strong views. Neither has much time for lengthy debate. Our experience has been that the process of attend, (repeat if > 3yrs ago), assist, deliver is a very good way of winning that assurance.

Regards,

Mike

[steve-k]

can a old dl student just do the parts of the new dl course that relate to o2 and prm (and possabley do the entire theory test again) and then be qualified to teach (assuming they are allready a nqi) at dl levle?

if not if they re do the entire dl course then surley they would then be qualified to teach to that levle

and why is this not mentioned in the instructoe manul, in the dl instructor requirements, it only says nqi?

[Mike Halligan]

can a old dl student just do the parts of the new dl course that relate to o2 and prm (and possabley do the entire theory test again) and then be qualified to teach (assuming they are allready a nqi) at dl levle?

Yes, if they can find a Branch, School or Region offering the Oxygen Administration, Practical Rescue Management and Dive Planning/Marshalling SDCs, then they will have studied all they would be expected to teach in the new DL syllabus, and more.

if not if they re do the entire dl course then surley they would then be qualified to teach to that levle

Yes, they would.

and why is this not mentioned in the instructoe manul, in the dl instructor requirements, it only says nqi?
(I'm guessing) Because it is envisaged that this interim state of affairs will be resolved quite quickly as Instructors start to be drawn from those who studied the new DL syllabus?

HTH
Mike

[andy botten]

in the dl instructor requirements, it only says nqi?

From the FAQs :-

Q I am an OWI but not done an Oxygen Administration or PRM course - can I teach those elements on the Dive Leader course?

A No, you will need to attend both courses before you can teach these elements. Having attended the courses, your course attendance certificate will allow you to teach these elements in the diver training programme...

HTH