O2 bit of DL

[paul brown]

Hi All,

If someone who has all but finished the OLD DL syllabus comes and does the O2 section of the new syllabus can they get any sort of credit for it eg an O2 logbook sticker?

Regards

Paul

[Mike Halligan]

Hi, Paul,

I guess you must have an O2 Instructor, so why not set up an SDC for your DL trainees (old and new style) and (old style) AD trainees? All the "old style" trainees then have a rating to teach this part of the new DTP should they be or subsequently become NQIs.

In addition to answering immediate DTP training needs, we all face the problem of delivering the new DTP with instructors not rated to deliver the new additions to DL. Eventually, our Instructors will have graduated from the new DTP and be able to teach it - but not just yet.

Purely my own interpretation of the new DTP, perhaps someone will correct me.

Regards,

Mike

[Dave]

Hi All,

If someone who has all but finished the OLD DL syllabus comes and does the O2 section of the new syllabus can they get any sort of credit for it eg an O2 logbook sticker?


No.

Anyone who does the O2 Administration Award will get credit for the O2 requirements for Dive Leader. Getting the O2 elements of the DL course signed up does not qualify for the O2 Administration Award.

Dave

[john kendall]

I guess you must have an O2 Instructor, so why not set up an SDC for your DL trainees (old and new style) and (old style) AD trainees? All the "old style" trainees then have a rating to teach this part of the new DTP should they be or subsequently become NQIs.

You no longer need to be an approved instructor for O2, you only have to have been taught the material (new scheme DTP, or Old scheme SDC)

The way we have done it this year in the club is exactly how you describe it above. Run it as an SDC. You split the course expenses between all the students, but only charge the SDC registration cost (?12) to those who need it as the SDC.

HTH
John

[Richie771]

Agreed!

I asked my DL students if they wanted to do the DL lessons or pay ?12.00 and run it as an SDC. All agreed to do it as an SDC, and then the Ocean Divers attended which made it all more worthwhile.

I would like to see us return to the SDC system of O2 as I feel that it discourages the OD's from attending as they see it as part of the DL training.

[petem]

I would like to see us return to the SDC system of O2 as I feel that it discourages the OD's from attending as they see it as part of the DL training.

Dunno about that, we just told them to do it

[TerryH]

Dunno about that, we just told them to do it

Exactly. What's with this asking buisness?
We do an O2 SDC, if you dont do it then your DL doesnt get
done. Simple.

TerryH

[Paul Oliver]

Hi

We did it as part of the New DTP for our trainee DL's. I also offered it as an SDC for any on the old system. No-one wanted to do it as an SDC and none of the new DL course wanted to waste ?12 on a sticker when they had already had to cough up ?20 for the new log book and notes. Why would they, i wouldn't.

What is the point of wasting money registering it as an SDC just to get a sticker. Those same people will proberably be complaining in a few years they have no space left for anymore stickers in their QRB's.

Personally i feel that bringing the course into the branch is a great step forward. Afterall its not rocket science and is proberably the cornerstone for all diver first aid. The earlier its taught the better as far as i'm concerned.

I would add that we did the 6 lessons in a one day session, not spread over 6 evenings.

Regards

Paul

[iainmsmith]

Personally i feel that bringing the course into the branch is a great step forward.

Paul,

The course has been "in Branch" for at least the last six years. I did my O2 course on a Regional Event in my first year at uni, organised a course "in-Branch" in my second year. I did my "assistant instructor" for a neighbouring Branch's course in my second or third year and have bossed several Branch courses since.

The only thing that has changed between the old and new versions of the course and how they are run is that what little Quality Assurance there was under the old scheme for ensuring that instructors were up to speed has now been removed completely.

> After all its not rocket science and is proberably the
> cornerstone for all diver first aid. The earlier its taught
> the better as far as i'm concerned.

Absolutely. The same is not, however, necessarily true of the actual teaching of the course. But that's a completely different issue...

I would add that we did the 6 lessons in a one day session, not spread over 6 evenings.

So you ran it in the same format as an SDC...why, therefore, could you not have run this course in the same way under the previous scheme?

Iain

[iainmsmith]

Personally i feel that bringing the course into the branch is a great step forward.

Paul,

The course has been "in Branch" for at least the last six years. I did my O2 course on a Regional Event in my first year at uni, organised a course "in-Branch" in my second year. I did my "assistant instructor" for a neighbouring Branch's course in my second or third year and have bossed several Branch courses since.

The only thing that has changed between the old and new versions of the course and how they are run is that what little Quality Assurance there was under the old scheme for ensuring that instructors were up to speed has now been removed completely.

> After all its not rocket science and is proberably the
> cornerstone for all diver first aid. The earlier its taught
> the better as far as i'm concerned.

Absolutely. The same is not, however, necessarily true of the actual teaching of the course. But that's a completely different issue...

I would add that we did the 6 lessons in a one day session, not spread over 6 evenings.

So you ran it in the same format as an SDC...why, therefore, could you not have run this course in the same way under the previous scheme?

Iain

[TerryH]

Exactly.

We are also a Uni branch and have successfully run O2
SDC's for a few years now. The reason I am not that fussed
about doing it with Dive Leader is that I would prefer they do
it earlier. Absolutely no reason they cant bang it out as an
SDC after Ocean Diver.

Take a look at the demographic of your next dive trip. Unless
it is populated with 50% Dive Leaders and above, isnt it better
to have shedloads of O2 admin divers on the boat?

TerryH

[Paul Oliver]

Hi

They can do it at OD or SD thats why they get the student notes from the start.

SDC = ?12 = Sticker (That don't even fit in the QRB apparently), waste of money when they have paid for the new stuff.

Teaching in 6 evenings or a day or any combination between gives flexibility. I'll take that over a sticker. It was just me teaching in my branch. In the end we buddied up with another.

Regards

Paul

[Mike Halligan]

The question asked was what to do for trainees who'd almost concluded DL. In that case, their training under the old system would not have incorporated O2, and neither would their trainee notes or for that matter their QRB.

The introductory note to the new system deals with this. So long as you've instructors available from somewhere (since there's not likely to be an instructor yet who's emerged from the new DTP and thus automatically qualified to teach) then you can run an SDC. ?12 is cheaper than throwing away all the time and effort that's gone into DL training under the old DTP.

Mike

[Paul Oliver]

Hi Mike

[ The question asked was what to do for trainees who'd almost concluded DL. In that case, their training under the old system would not have incorporated O2, and neither would their trainee notes or for that matter their QRB.]

OK, thats understood, and the option i gave my existing (Old)DL's or DL's under training in the old scheme was to do the training as an SDC or to convert to the new DTP with the buying of notes etc. (If your going to do AD not a bad option). But they don't need it to be an Old DL, only if they are going to convert or do AD.

[ (since there's not likely to be an instructor yet who's emerged from the new DTP and thus automatically qualified to teach) ]

You have got me with this, what do you mean? I am an OWI and have done O2 Admin so i can teach it as an SDC or OD/SD/DL Module. Why do i need someone to come through the new DTP system?

I now also have 2 CI's and another OWI who have done the course and can teach it. This must be better than waiting for instructors to gain an SDC instructor approval?

QA was mentioned earlier, this is done by me as DO and possibly the TO plus the indevidual instructors. I would also add that our resent students assured that anyway 'cos we had a lot of IQ in the classroom and some extremly hard and probing questions were asked.

Regards

Paul

[Mike Halligan]

[ (since there's not likely to be an instructor yet who's emerged from the new DTP and thus automatically qualified to teach) ]

You have got me with this, what do you mean? I am an OWI and have done O2 Admin so i can teach it as an SDC or OD/SD/DL Module. Why do i need someone to come through the new DTP system?

Paul,

Thankfully, you don't - and you've an embarrassment of riches the envy of many Branches. Had your 3 NQIs not done the SDC and had the general approach to SDCs been to delay them until necessary, e.g. for AD, as is often the case then things would be different. The relief from Instructor approval is a boon, but in many cases the need for the SDC will remain for quite a time.

Regards,

Mike